Dear Patrik,
Thank you for the clarification about Penmap.Even if it is not so practical, I thought exactly what you have suggested and I have made some tests applying different offset to my local coordinates to see the app behaviour.
Considering that my local coordinates are around (1000, 1000), and using RDN2008 as reference frame for Italy (Italy zone, Projected, East-North), my current position is about (6862000,5041000). If interested, here are the results that I have gotten by applying different offsets and zooming in and out accurately:
Case 0 - PointID: original local coordinates as reference nodes (no transformation)
Case 1 - PointID-1: false origin of 6000000, 5000000 (residual distance ~ up to 1000km)
Case 2 - PointID-2: false origin of 6800000, 5000000 (residual distance ~ up to 100km)
Case 3 - PointID-3: false origin of 6860000, 5040000 (residual distance ~ up to 10km)
Case 4 - PointID-4: false origin of 6862000, 5041000(residual distance ~ up to 1km)
Case 4 and 3 are correctly handled (reference nodes can be zoomed in and selected).
Case 2 is handled even if reference nodes are not visualized on the map for selection (only shown after calibration is computed)
Case 1 not handled (points not visualized and not available for selection - probably "hidden" by the nodes of Case 0)
Case 0 is handled (!) even if reference nodes are not visualized on the map, only available for selection at the max zoom out. The calibration is computed but measured points are not mapped, so not very useful.
Attached some screenshots.
Kind regards,
Massimo
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Massimo Gelmini, Gexcel
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-12-2022 00:54
From: Patrik Stahlhut
Subject: Penmap issues and limitations (points import and site calibration)
Dear Massimo,
coordinates in penmap need to match the coordinatesystem.
What you can do is to set your values higher by the same amount in the imported csv so your location is shifted further to the location you desire.
E.g. using Germany UTM Zone 32 I would add a 500000 easting and 5000000 in northing.
Kind regards
Patrik
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Patrik Stahlhut
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-11-2022 05:57
From: Massimo Gelmini, Gexcel
Subject: Penmap issues and limitations (points import and site calibration)
Dear Zack, Patrik
Many thanks for your reply. I made a double check on the importing csv and succeeded to get the points into the project. It was probably a problem due to headers.
Now that my points are inside the project as Free Points in local coordinates (around position 1000, 1000, 200 meters), I wanted to perform a site calibration using those points as reference nodes.
I was able to do that some time ago, in April, using the Penmap version available at that time (11.6.0.x). As you can see in the attached screenshots, a calibration was computed through reference nodes with coordinates in a local reference frame (ENh around 100, 100, 100 m).
In the current version I'm not able to tap the reference nodes, as showed in the attached screenshot. Points in the local coordinates cannot be selected any way. It seems a graphic issue due to big distances between local and global coordinates. How can I go through this and get a successful site calibration on local (no projecton, no datum) reference system? This would be very useful for our application.
Kind regards
Massimo
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Massimo Gelmini, Gexcel
Original Message:
Sent: 10-11-2022 04:53
From: Patrik Stahlhut
Subject: Penmap issues and limitations (points import and site calibration)
Sear Massimo,
you can only edit nodes in pointmanager bu you can enter nodes by values like easting and northing if you go to your project and open "Topo" menu.
Now scroll the buttons in the lower menu to the left untill you see the button enter data:
This function allows you to enter nodes via values.
Regarding your import of csv I can only imagine what Mr. Zach Edwards already mentioned below.
Also please recheck if you did use the seperator(, or.) set in Project manager for your csv import/export.
If your trouble with this should persist, I would reccomend to create a supportcase by reaching out to your local trimble dealer.
If you do so please send him the used project, the csv file you used and all data used te replicate this bahaviour.
Kind regards
Patrik
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Patrik Stahlhut