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Trimble TDC 650 satellite accuracy under canopy with internal antenna

  • 1.  Trimble TDC 650 satellite accuracy under canopy with internal antenna

    Posted 08-16-2023 15:36

    I have been using a Trimble 7x unit with Esri ArcPad for several years.  I have been able to get submeter accuracy with the built in internal antenna under pretty thick canopy cover with just SBAS corrections.  We recently purchased a Trimble TDC 650 unit and had issues with ESRI Field Maps, so we switched over to TerraFlex and still seem to be having difficulty getting SBAS corrections to get submeter accuracy under tree canopy.

    Anyone else having these issues?  Just curious if the Trimble 7x anenna is/was better than the TDC 650 antenna.

    Thanks



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    Barry Blackwell
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  • 2.  RE: Trimble TDC 650 satellite accuracy under canopy with internal antenna

    Posted 08-17-2023 07:40
    Edited by Wayne Randall 08-17-2023 07:41

    I'll be following this discussion.  I am hoping this isn't the case.  The Trimble 7x was great in tree cover with the floodlight technology.  We just purchased a couple TDC 650s but haven't used them enough to see how the antenna works in tree cover.  



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    Wayne Randall
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  • 3.  RE: Trimble TDC 650 satellite accuracy under canopy with internal antenna

    Posted 08-23-2023 13:30

    I don't work for Trimble, but have experience with both and I fully agree with the USFS 95% accuracy tests you can find online between the TDC600 / Geo7x.   No comparison at all.  If you have the floodlight / HSTAR version of Geo7x, the best GIS mapping handheld ever built by anyone, your never going to get submeter under any circumstance with the TDC650 using WAAS.     Now, the poster mentioned he used arcpad, so that again would not have any post-processing capacity, unlike say TerraSync.  but the SBAS chipset in the Geo7x was just better and don't forget the antenna size.   All GNSS devices fail under canopy.  Any manufacturer states 68% confidence statistics for the open sky.   Here is USFS link.  USDA Forest Service Global Positioning System: MTDC Accuracy Reports



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    Joel Cusick
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  • 4.  RE: Trimble TDC 650 satellite accuracy under canopy with internal antenna

    Posted 08-24-2023 07:11

    Well that isn't good news.  You would think they would make the TDC 650 better than the Geo7x. I hate how the Geo7x is being pushed out.



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    Wayne Randall
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  • 5.  RE: Trimble TDC 650 satellite accuracy under canopy with internal antenna

    Posted 08-25-2023 11:30
    I hear you.    I work for the FEDS, so Windows Mobile (the OS on the Geo7x) is what is becoming dis-allowed.  add to that there is no replacement for Trimble Positions (and the new Positions) that work in ArcPro....    

    If I was in private industry though... hands down, I wouldn't let go of a Geo7x until it breaks (probably a decade from now).   Ha.

    Joel Cusick
    GIS Specialist
    Region 11 - Alaska Regional Office
    240 W. Fifth Ave.
    Anchorage, AK 99501-2327
    cell:907 280-9724  wk:907 644-3549 






  • 6.  RE: Trimble TDC 650 satellite accuracy under canopy with internal antenna

    Posted 08-28-2023 10:00

    Technically there is a Terra Office add-in for ArcGIS Pro that supports TerraFlex Cloud workflows. But you are correct Joel that it does not currently provide support for TerraSync workflows. 



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    Matthew MorrisMatthew Morris
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