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Ned help with plans presenting differences from projected surfaces

  • 1.  Ned help with plans presenting differences from projected surfaces

    Posted 11-12-2019 04:22

    Hi! 

     

    I need your help here and i think there is a answer but i cant figure out how to do it and none of the videos for projected surfaces show med how to do it. 

     

    The job is to correct present the difference between 2 projected surfaces (scanned walls) with a grid and maybe a cut and fill map. Its also important to present this and visualize it really good so a person who dont understand all the data can understand the plotted plan easily.

     

    My problem is that the pointcloud does not show in the sheetview even if it does show in the cutting plane wiew with the grid, its only the grid that is showing in the sheetview for plotting. Thats makes it hard to understand what you see, when its only the grid. If you look at the pdf drawing i took some screenshots and added to the drawing just to make it easier to understand that the red border in the picture is the same as the border around the grid but the resolution is to poor so i dont like what i see. I also tried do use the Legend to the C/F map for explaining with colours every mm of difference but the legend does not seem to work for projected surfaces, or should it work?  

     

    If you look at the data i am presenting here, can you help me with a better workflow and a better way to present and visualize this dataset? Im not happy with how this looks right now. 

    I also need a correct and nice workflow because this is probably not the only wall in this project we will present this way it could be about 50 so it has to look the same every time of course. 

    Maybe you can @Alan Sharp?

     

    There is a couple of files attached here. 

     

     

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  • 2.  Re: Ned help with plans presenting differences from projected surfaces

    Posted 11-12-2019 07:41


  • 3.  Re: Ned help with plans presenting differences from projected surfaces

    Posted 11-12-2019 08:15

    He is just plotting the C/F map as i already have done (did you see my attatched files?) but i also want to get the pointcloud for example in the dynaview. 

    That webinar is for an older version i think and i hope the drafting is better in todays TBC for projected surfaces. Just plotting the white C/F map doesnt show much and if i give the map some colours based on the difference the legend dont seems to work with projected surfaces so i cant show what the colour means. 

     

    Do you know if i can get the pointcloud to work in the dynaview for example, or use the photos from the station in some way.

     

    /F



  • 4.  Re: Ned help with plans presenting differences from projected surfaces

    Posted 11-12-2019 08:13

    You can also try using the Radial Surfaces function (I have posted videos

    on this to the forum previously) - a Radial Surface can be added to a

    Corridor Modeland you can then use it to slice section lines etc if you

    need to show a 3D Shape of a Near Vertical or Overhanging Rock Surface etc.

    I use that more than the Projected surface because of this specific reason.

     

    You can also try the following - I did this for a Coastal Erosion project

    recently

     

    Create the Projected surface and export it to a DXF File (you can try using

    Explode Surface that may also work these days - not sure. Import the DXF

    3D  Faces back in as linework. You can then draw on section lines in 2D and

    then use the Elevate Lines by Intersecting Lines to drape the 2D lines over

    the 3D Faces - you may have some cleanup to do afterwards - but that can

    help define the faces with kind of section lines - where you have overhangs

    will be the most problematic - you may need to break the section lines and

    do them in parts and then join them together so as to get the Top and

    Bottom of the overhangs etc.

     

    Let me know if these ideas help - failing that I can try to look at this

    later in the week

     

    Alan

     

    On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 4:22 AM Fredrik Bergström <trimble@jiveon.com>



  • 5.  Re: Ned help with plans presenting differences from projected surfaces

    Posted 06-12-2020 11:46

    A while back I was tasked to scan the shoring used in the excavation of a basement and compare the face of the lagging with the proposed basement wall.  The purpose of this exercise was to confirm the distance between the lagging and the proposed basement wall.

     

    I tried using a projected surface with cut fills.  This approach did not offer a good way to present the information. The contractor needed to be able to identify areas where substrate material would need to be added. I constructed a 3D model of the basement wall.  I tried to use extrusions, but TBC did not recognize them. So, I built a wireframe.  The basement footprint was created as a polyline at finish floor elevation.  Then the footprint was offset vertically at 2’ intervals.  Then the horizontal grid lines were added at finish floor elevation. From these vertical lines were drawn from bottom of wall to top of wall. TBC displayed this line work IN A 3D View.  In the end I added more vertical lines until I had a 2’ x 2’ grid on the vertical wall.

     

    The CAD file was imported into TBC. Then the lagging scans were imported. 3D Views were setup to display and orthographic view of the scan.  The typical point cloud spacing varied was about 0.10’. CAD points were created by manually picking a point nearest the grid intersection. Once a section of the wall was completed, an alignment was created on the exterior top of wall.  This was used to calculate a station and offset of the CAD points.

     

    The next trick was to make a plot that would show the point offset relative to the grid on the wall. I was not able to plot this in TBC.  Civil 3D was not much help.  I had been making screen shots of the lagging point cloud with the grid lines and then pasting the image in WORD on a 11x17” to document the survey.  In some places the wall was obscured by other construction activity and this provide a way to track and communicate what was going on.  With the point cloud turned off, the points were visible. All I had to do was figure out how to insert the offset in the feature code field. This was accomplished with a custom point import that read the station-offset report.  The shows a point number and an offset.  Offset is evaluated for geometric tolerances. The point and the grid lines offer a means mark an area that needs work.

     

    See the attached image. This is drawing is to facilitate on-going construction work. It will not win any drafting awards, but it did serve its intended purpose....adapt, improvise, overcome