Trimble Business Center

Hi!

Anyone have the same issue or maybe know whats wrong? For some time i been having this issue in some projects (a small amount) and a restart usally does the trick. But now its a bigger problem, now its almost every project and i also having trouble to save the project, i have to rename it if i can open it with the pointcloud. The projects opens but without the cloud.

I know that dropbox is an issue here but it does not matter if i turn of the sync or keep it running, sometimes it works either way but mostly not. 

If i get this message and give up after trying to open it a couple of times other people here in the office can open it without any problems on other computers, it seems to be just my computer. What can it be? A cleanup and new installation does not work.

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And here is what happens when i am trying to save. 

Im in a little bit of panic here right now, look at the video.

TBC Corrupted files - YouTube 

Hi Frederik,

I can't comment directly on operating TBC on shared platforms like Dropbox or Onedrive as I don't use my data like that, but in general terms I would be cautious about doing so. Even "simple" files like Excel often get mixed up when using Dropbox with missed saves etc. I can't imagine what might happen to your database if TBC, Dropbox and another user are all looking and trying to sync at the same time.

I believe there is a way to save a copy of TBC projects without duplicating the raw data, perhaps that might present an option to you for working locally with the data, but still saving updates to a shared location?

Cheers,

Damian

Yes, i know the trouble with dropbox but we have been using it for about 6yers now and it works well. Some troubles that we know about but it works good. In this case i get the same problem (in some projects, not all) that never been on dropbox, only locally stored also. 

As you can se in my video at first TBC says the file is corrupted and cant be opend and when the project opens the piontcloud is not visible but if i then choose to open the same project again it opens without any problems with the pointcloud and i cant save it......

Other computers with TBC can open the projects without any problems and save it, its just mine......

I've had some hit or miss issues with point clouds using OneDrive. I've since switched those files to my computer and haven't had any disappearing point cloud issues. I consistently had those issue using OneDrive storage. I think the easy answer is to not use any cloud based storage while working with point clouds.

But in this case the problem is only in my computer, it opens without any problem i the 3 other computers in the office and the guy working there. When they open the projects that i get "corrupted files" they dont. 

But i agree, cloud based storage can of course be the issue here but i dont think so. Did you se the video? The project namned "2" was never on dropbox, only local on my computer. 

If we should leave a cloud based solution, what should it look like? We are 4 guys that need to get the same project files the whole time, all of us is working on laptop so not all work is done in the office and of course we need a waterproof backup of all of our files. 

I am asking the Geospatial Team as they have more experience of this than I do Fred - I have seen the same issue of the "disappearing point cloud" as have some other users and I have not been able to find the answer yet. I will get back to you when I can on this - apologies but this is not the CEC part of the software and I cannot get my team to look at it when I fail to find an answer - it ha to come from the Geo team.

Alan

Thanks for your answer Alan!

Just letting me know that someone has looked at it and will get back is making me a little bit less stressed. 

This is really strange, right now i have some projects working and some don´t. I have been trying to see if there are any differences in the projects or in the files but havent find anything, yet. 

Things are just going great right know, after 1.5 month with installing, uppdating and changing cables that was wrong from the delivery i was finally ready to test my Echoboat in the sea. I had been testing it in my garage and driving it around on land on a small trailer after my ATV and it seems to work well. The wi-fi connections to my laptop from the boat and the remote desktop had been working really well also.  

But, as in the water i couldnt connect to the boat and right know i know that the computer in the boat has crashed, big time.......

Its going well right now, i think i got to much electronic stuff!  Ha ha ha!

Have a great weekend!

@Alan Sharp Can you show this to Geospatial Team also, im about to be nuts here.....Here is a video Recording #156 - YouTube  and here is what ive done (also expalining in the video)

Because we think that dropbox is the problem (wich it is in some cases) i did stop my dropbox sync on my computer. I took my portable harddrive to my colleague because in his computer the project works fine (and on all other computers, its just mine that dont). He had stopped his sync and we opend the project and saved it, no problem at all. We copied the project with all files and folder to my portable harddrive and i went to my computer to test it. I started with opening it from the harddrive, success!!. It worked like it should. 

I deleted the whole project folder on my computer (dropbox still off of course) and copied the project and folder from the portable harddrive to my computer. Started the project from my harddrive and it was still the same, corrupted files..........HELP!!

I tride to move the project up in the hierarcy (if it to many folders) but that did not help either. And i have many other projects with pointclouds wich works just fine in the same location. And bigger projects also. I also tried to use "save as" with the project from the harddrive and saved it to my computer but when i open it again i get the same errors "corrupted files"...

I really have no idea right now. 

One thing i know work is if i delete the database files and folder and import the pointclouds again the problem goes away. But then i have to classify them again. I have done that once in this problem but the problem occured when the project had been opened in another computer. And its just some projects that is like this but this is the biggest problem i have had, the problem has been fixing it self most of the time in other projects. 

Have a nice day.  

And here is a link to the complete project.  Dropbox - Exportgatan 25 - Simplify your life 

Hi guys!

Here is a update for my problems with this pointcloud trouble. I have found a way to open the project but i cant save it.....Here is a new video Pointcloud trouble - YouTube 

No answers about this yet? 

Here is the the crash report to :

Exception Count: 1
Exception Source: Sde.NET
Exception Type: Trimble.Sde.SdeException
Exception Message: [Cannot write] (code CannotWrite)
Exception Target Site: Save

---- Stack Trace ----
Trimble.Sde.Database.Save()
Sde.NET.DLL : N 00158
Trimble.Vce.Data.Scanning.PointCloudDatabase.Save(Boolean NeedCleanning)
Trimble.Vce.Data.Scanning.DLL : N 01161
Trimble.Vce.Data.Scanning.PointCloudDatabaseContainer.c(Object A_0, ProjectEventArgs A_1)
Trimble.Vce.Data.Scanning.DLL : N 00349
Trimble.Vce.Utils.WeakEventCollection`1.RaiseEvent(Object sender, EA args)
Trimble.Vce.Utils.DLL : N 00397
Trimble.Vce.Core.ModelEvents.RaiseProjectSaving(IProject project)
Trimble.Vce.Core.DLL : N 00121
Trimble.Vce.Core.ProjectHost.InitiateSave(Boolean preserveExclusiveLockStatus)
Trimble.Vce.Core.DLL : N 00144
Trimble.Vce.Core.Projects.Save(Object oProject, Boolean preserveExclusiveLockStatus)
Trimble.Vce.Core.DLL : N 00075
Trimble.Vce.UI.UIManager.UIProject.ErrorReportingSave(IProject project)
Trimble.Vce.UI.UIManager.DLL : N 00087
Trimble.Vce.UI.UIManager.UIProject.Save()
Trimble.Vce.UI.UIManager.DLL : N 00076
Trimble.Vce.UI.BaseCommands.FileSave.Execute(Object[] Parameters)
Trimble.Vce.UI.BaseCommands.DLL : N 00346
Trimble.Vce.UI.UIManager.CommandProcessor.ExecuteCommand(String Command, Boolean ShowInRecentCommands, Boolean CommandLine, Object[] Params)
Trimble.Vce.UI.UIManager.DLL : N 01377

Date and Time: 2019-09-13 06:43:19
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@Alan Sharp or @Tim McClannahan have you heard anything about this or have any ideas? Please look at the videos, its not Dropbox causing the problems in this cases, it something that is different when i start the project in different computers. 

Have you seen this problem anywhere else or is it just me?  

Are you copying the entire folder system and the VCE file over to the new PC ie the project folder and all its sub folders

You have to also be aware of the path names length when you copy and paste the folder system - windows lets you create longer path names than legally allowed by windows so when you copy and paste a folder system some folders and files get left off. You have to copy the entire folder system because the point Clouds are not in the VCE they are stored in an external database in one of the folders for the project.

Alan

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Hi!

Again, thank you so much for your answers. As always you are right again, its the path names length that is the problem. I was sure that all 4 of us in the office had the folder at the same location but that was not the case. (see the screenshots, the top is my computer and the bottom is Magnus) I had my folder under 2 other folders after "dropbox", and the 3 other guys had the folder directly under "dropbox".

When i moved the folder up the project that did not open before and just said i had a pointcloud error opened without any problems. 

But......the one thing that i cant understand is that if Magnus has saved a project with his computer i never got the problem when i opened it but if one of the other 2 guys did the same in their computers the problem occured. 

So, i think we can close this issue now, i hope so. . 

Have a nice day!

If the default folder is \documents\ etc then the pre path to that for Magnus may be shorter than your other colleagues if the username \ Computername is shorter - just one or two characters could make the difference - if all your pcs have names like Office1 or Office2 then that would not be the case but if it uses a combination of first name / Last name etc then they will likely be different

Would have to see the full path names to see whether this is the case or not

Alan

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