Trimble Business Center

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Its going to be so nice. We have a 5+ year project and all the engineers callouts are south>north orientation. My neck has hurt the last 2 years.

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Erik Petersen
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Agreed, years overdue but I'm glad we have it now.

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Matthew Judice
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Thank you!

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Patrick L'heureux
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Is it possible to place an as if you had it in front of you with no rotation?  Then rotate the screen to match the orientation of the plan sheet.  Of course without have the sheet be rotate and left in place.  Is this command a "view" or is it done in plan view?

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Francisco Guerrero
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-16-2021 02:08
From: Patrick L'heureux
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Thank you!

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Patrick L'heureux

Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Francisco - To answer your 2nd question, this is not a separate view.  You can rotate ANY plan view using the mouse controls mentioned.  When you run the New Plan View command, it creates a new plan view that is not rotated (same behavior as before).

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Quan Mueller
Revenant Solutions - TML Development
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-16-2021 06:25
From: Francisco Guerrero
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Is it possible to place an as if you had it in front of you with no rotation?  Then rotate the screen to match the orientation of the plan sheet.  Of course without have the sheet be rotate and left in place.  Is this command a "view" or is it done in plan view?

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Francisco Guerrero

Original Message:
Sent: 07-16-2021 02:08
From: Patrick L'heureux
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Thank you!

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Patrick L'heureux

Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Where would I find this command? Been waiting for this since the Terramodel days

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Tom Silicato
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Tom - My understanding is that this is not a new command.  TBC v5.51 gives you the ability to rotate ANY plan view using mouse controls - just like you can zoom or pan with the mouse, you can now rotate the view with the mouse.

If you want to rotate to specific angles or relative to particular objects (including resetting back to up = North), Rockpile Solutions has a TML that does this.

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Quan Mueller
Revenant Solutions - TML Development
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-16-2021 07:04
From: Tom Silicato
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Where would I find this command? Been waiting for this since the Terramodel days

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Tom Silicato

Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Yes, finally we have it.

But why can't they go this tiny, tiny, tiny extra step to make it more user friendly? Save different states, aligning to objects. For the developers that's a piece of cake, look at Rockpile, they could do it in no time.
Even I as rookie macro writer was able to figure it out within a few hours. So, why, why, why being so lazy.



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Ronny Schneider
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Hi Ronny,

I'm not sure I would use the term "lazy".  I suspect the team was given fairly basic goals for this release - v5.51 was basically a bug patch.  Perhaps they'll have more options in the next major release...

I'm just glad:

a) It's an official feature
So the team has tested/fixed/enhanced the underlying architecture already - and if there are any leftover bugs, they are more likely to fix them.

b) They provided the built-in mouse controls
TMLs can't replicate this without a TML running.

c) The rotation is available via an API
This allows the community to do whatever it wants with rotation - as we've seen so far, there are a myriad of ways to define and make use of rotation...

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Quan Mueller
Revenant Solutions - TML Development
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-18-2021 19:41
From: Ronny Schneider
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Yes, finally we have it.

But why can't they go this tiny, tiny, tiny extra step to make it more user friendly? Save different states, aligning to objects. For the developers that's a piece of cake, look at Rockpile, they could do it in no time.
Even I as rookie macro writer was able to figure it out within a few hours. So, why, why, why being so lazy.

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Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Hi Quan,
then we call it indifferent to what users would want to do with it.

When I can come up with the attached little gift while having a beer and watching TV in the evening, I'm sure Trimble could do better.

Unzip into "C:\ProgramData\Trimble\MacroCommands"

Happy rotating everybody. It's not compiled, so everybody is welcome to change the code.

Cheers
Ronny

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Ronny Schneider
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-19-2021 11:43
From: Quan Mueller
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Hi Ronny,

I'm not sure I would use the term "lazy".  I suspect the team was given fairly basic goals for this release - v5.51 was basically a bug patch.  Perhaps they'll have more options in the next major release...

I'm just glad:

a) It's an official feature
So the team has tested/fixed/enhanced the underlying architecture already - and if there are any leftover bugs, they are more likely to fix them.

b) They provided the built-in mouse controls
TMLs can't replicate this without a TML running.

c) The rotation is available via an API
This allows the community to do whatever it wants with rotation - as we've seen so far, there are a myriad of ways to define and make use of rotation...

------------------------------
Quan Mueller
Revenant Solutions - TML Development

Original Message:
Sent: 07-18-2021 19:41
From: Ronny Schneider
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Yes, finally we have it.

But why can't they go this tiny, tiny, tiny extra step to make it more user friendly? Save different states, aligning to objects. For the developers that's a piece of cake, look at Rockpile, they could do it in no time.
Even I as rookie macro writer was able to figure it out within a few hours. So, why, why, why being so lazy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Mr. Schneider, you're a gentleman and a scholar!




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Marian Plucinski
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-20-2021 00:09
From: Ronny Schneider
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Hi Quan,
then we call it indifferent to what users would want to do with it.

When I can come up with the attached little gift while having a beer and watching TV in the evening, I'm sure Trimble could do better.

Unzip into "C:\ProgramData\Trimble\MacroCommands"

Happy rotating everybody. It's not compiled, so everybody is welcome to change the code.

Cheers
Ronny

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Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 07-19-2021 11:43
From: Quan Mueller
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Hi Ronny,

I'm not sure I would use the term "lazy".  I suspect the team was given fairly basic goals for this release - v5.51 was basically a bug patch.  Perhaps they'll have more options in the next major release...

I'm just glad:

a) It's an official feature
So the team has tested/fixed/enhanced the underlying architecture already - and if there are any leftover bugs, they are more likely to fix them.

b) They provided the built-in mouse controls
TMLs can't replicate this without a TML running.

c) The rotation is available via an API
This allows the community to do whatever it wants with rotation - as we've seen so far, there are a myriad of ways to define and make use of rotation...

------------------------------
Quan Mueller
Revenant Solutions - TML Development

Original Message:
Sent: 07-18-2021 19:41
From: Ronny Schneider
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Yes, finally we have it.

But why can't they go this tiny, tiny, tiny extra step to make it more user friendly? Save different states, aligning to objects. For the developers that's a piece of cake, look at Rockpile, they could do it in no time.
Even I as rookie macro writer was able to figure it out within a few hours. So, why, why, why being so lazy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Thanks Ronny!

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Erik Petersen
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-20-2021 00:09
From: Ronny Schneider
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Hi Quan,
then we call it indifferent to what users would want to do with it.

When I can come up with the attached little gift while having a beer and watching TV in the evening, I'm sure Trimble could do better.

Unzip into "C:\ProgramData\Trimble\MacroCommands"

Happy rotating everybody. It's not compiled, so everybody is welcome to change the code.

Cheers
Ronny

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 07-19-2021 11:43
From: Quan Mueller
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Hi Ronny,

I'm not sure I would use the term "lazy".  I suspect the team was given fairly basic goals for this release - v5.51 was basically a bug patch.  Perhaps they'll have more options in the next major release...

I'm just glad:

a) It's an official feature
So the team has tested/fixed/enhanced the underlying architecture already - and if there are any leftover bugs, they are more likely to fix them.

b) They provided the built-in mouse controls
TMLs can't replicate this without a TML running.

c) The rotation is available via an API
This allows the community to do whatever it wants with rotation - as we've seen so far, there are a myriad of ways to define and make use of rotation...

------------------------------
Quan Mueller
Revenant Solutions - TML Development

Original Message:
Sent: 07-18-2021 19:41
From: Ronny Schneider
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Yes, finally we have it.

But why can't they go this tiny, tiny, tiny extra step to make it more user friendly? Save different states, aligning to objects. For the developers that's a piece of cake, look at Rockpile, they could do it in no time.
Even I as rookie macro writer was able to figure it out within a few hours. So, why, why, why being so lazy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Hi Ronny - You are correct, the software engineers certainly have the skills to do all sorts of great things.  The wrinkle is that the engineers don't usually define the features or enhancements - they just build what they are asked to.

So yes, you are correct, Trimble could do better - but when it comes to the direction of the product, etc. that's usually not the responsibility of engineering.

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Quan Mueller
Revenant Solutions - TML Development
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-20-2021 00:09
From: Ronny Schneider
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Hi Quan,
then we call it indifferent to what users would want to do with it.

When I can come up with the attached little gift while having a beer and watching TV in the evening, I'm sure Trimble could do better.

Unzip into "C:\ProgramData\Trimble\MacroCommands"

Happy rotating everybody. It's not compiled, so everybody is welcome to change the code.

Cheers
Ronny

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 07-19-2021 11:43
From: Quan Mueller
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Hi Ronny,

I'm not sure I would use the term "lazy".  I suspect the team was given fairly basic goals for this release - v5.51 was basically a bug patch.  Perhaps they'll have more options in the next major release...

I'm just glad:

a) It's an official feature
So the team has tested/fixed/enhanced the underlying architecture already - and if there are any leftover bugs, they are more likely to fix them.

b) They provided the built-in mouse controls
TMLs can't replicate this without a TML running.

c) The rotation is available via an API
This allows the community to do whatever it wants with rotation - as we've seen so far, there are a myriad of ways to define and make use of rotation...

------------------------------
Quan Mueller
Revenant Solutions - TML Development

Original Message:
Sent: 07-18-2021 19:41
From: Ronny Schneider
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Yes, finally we have it.

But why can't they go this tiny, tiny, tiny extra step to make it more user friendly? Save different states, aligning to objects. For the developers that's a piece of cake, look at Rockpile, they could do it in no time.
Even I as rookie macro writer was able to figure it out within a few hours. So, why, why, why being so lazy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Quan, yes indeed I am just happy to have the rotate plan view option now.  I was surprised to see them add it into a x.x1 bug patch, and then further surprised and annoyed to learn the 5.51 "patch" is really a full download and install requiring all customizations to be reset again after just resetting them two weeks ago for v5.50.  *facepalm*

I guess if these are my biggest problems then I'm doing pretty well lol

Cheers,

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Wayne Welshans
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-19-2021 11:43
From: Quan Mueller
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Hi Ronny,

I'm not sure I would use the term "lazy".  I suspect the team was given fairly basic goals for this release - v5.51 was basically a bug patch.  Perhaps they'll have more options in the next major release...

I'm just glad:

a) It's an official feature
So the team has tested/fixed/enhanced the underlying architecture already - and if there are any leftover bugs, they are more likely to fix them.

b) They provided the built-in mouse controls
TMLs can't replicate this without a TML running.

c) The rotation is available via an API
This allows the community to do whatever it wants with rotation - as we've seen so far, there are a myriad of ways to define and make use of rotation...

------------------------------
Quan Mueller
Revenant Solutions - TML Development

Original Message:
Sent: 07-18-2021 19:41
From: Ronny Schneider
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Yes, finally we have it.

But why can't they go this tiny, tiny, tiny extra step to make it more user friendly? Save different states, aligning to objects. For the developers that's a piece of cake, look at Rockpile, they could do it in no time.
Even I as rookie macro writer was able to figure it out within a few hours. So, why, why, why being so lazy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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Sorry about the "ribbon" redo - I know that's frustrating every time you do it...

You're right, a normal "patch" would be x.xx.1 (i.e. v5.50.1) and have a patch installer.  But for whatever reason, they made this a "minor release" (x.x1) with no patch installer.

Check for Updates in TBC even refers to 5.51 as a "major software update".  I certainly didn't expect that.

re: doing pretty well - I'm guessing you have issues w/ TBC bigger than the ribbon redo - but I don't want to de-rail the thread :)

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Quan Mueller
Revenant Solutions - TML Development
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-20-2021 07:16
From: Wayne Welshans
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Quan, yes indeed I am just happy to have the rotate plan view option now.  I was surprised to see them add it into a x.x1 bug patch, and then further surprised and annoyed to learn the 5.51 "patch" is really a full download and install requiring all customizations to be reset again after just resetting them two weeks ago for v5.50.  *facepalm*

I guess if these are my biggest problems then I'm doing pretty well lol

Cheers,

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Wayne Welshans

Original Message:
Sent: 07-19-2021 11:43
From: Quan Mueller
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Hi Ronny,

I'm not sure I would use the term "lazy".  I suspect the team was given fairly basic goals for this release - v5.51 was basically a bug patch.  Perhaps they'll have more options in the next major release...

I'm just glad:

a) It's an official feature
So the team has tested/fixed/enhanced the underlying architecture already - and if there are any leftover bugs, they are more likely to fix them.

b) They provided the built-in mouse controls
TMLs can't replicate this without a TML running.

c) The rotation is available via an API
This allows the community to do whatever it wants with rotation - as we've seen so far, there are a myriad of ways to define and make use of rotation...

------------------------------
Quan Mueller
Revenant Solutions - TML Development

Original Message:
Sent: 07-18-2021 19:41
From: Ronny Schneider
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Yes, finally we have it.

But why can't they go this tiny, tiny, tiny extra step to make it more user friendly? Save different states, aligning to objects. For the developers that's a piece of cake, look at Rockpile, they could do it in no time.
Even I as rookie macro writer was able to figure it out within a few hours. So, why, why, why being so lazy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 07-15-2021 04:57
From: Richard Tyndall
Subject: Kudo's on Rotate Plan View

Great job! to the developers on the added feature. It's been a long time coming but KUDOs all around nonetheless.

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Richard Tyndall
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