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Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

i would like to agree with the first post. i think there is something funny and slow going on with access. 

we are running tsc 5 with access 2023 latest version and sp80/85 heads. i have the settings down to one second and use rapid point where i don t think it asks for an epoch setting. not sure there. but topo point with 1 epoch is even slower for sure. 

so i noticed the slowness when first switching to access but also sort of put it aside as the software getting better solutions. but last week i worked side by side with a colleague using tsc3 and survey pro and the same head same of a common base. he could collect almost twice as many points than i could. it is pretty much instantaneous when you press the button. 

to marian s point about quality. sure when you are shooting a hard surface, it is nice to have higher quality. but when topoing rough terrain it is rare that mm or even and inch is going to matter. the issue here is that we are not finding a way to drop access to the fastest collection speed and forgo the quality a little when the tech is out there to do it. 

on a slight side note. we run rtk and logging and have to have logging at 1 sec in order to collect 1 sec epoch data on control point shots. for a regular rtk shot. with survey pro you can have the head record at 5 sec intervals and still shoot rtk at 1sec. so we get large data files for no reason off the head. 

thanks. 

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

BC, yes I think the amount of free space in the RAM/storage is a factor aswell, my device was fairly "packed", cleaned some out and yes, its a bit more responsive now, as far as poking around in the GUI goes. It does not however change that "slowness" of GPS measures to any greater extent unfortunately. 

Marian, I did have a look at the settings for the GPS, cant duplicate what your saying, the quick measure(the detail measure has some PDOP etc one can fiddle around with, but nothing for the quickmeasure, which isn't all that quick....) has no setting to adjust within the measurement profile(not that I can find anyway), where is that setting within the access? Have you done this with a TCS7 & access??

Ian, I totally agree, does not have to be all that "accurate" for just about anything I'd say(even with quility check of this and that, how precise could it be? +-50mm, 100mm?). If one does want some better quality from the GPS, a average point of say 20-30 measurements is what I mostly do. If precision is required then use the total station. The GPS is not really to be trusted with better accuracy than +-50mm if you ask me. I also agree that as things are now, a Leica or a older Trimble would be about twice as fast for the type of work I do, would really like to hear what the developers has to say about this?

Cheers!

i would like to agree with the first post. i think there is something funny and slow going on with access. 

we are running tsc 5 with access 2023 latest version and sp80/85 heads. i have the settings down to one second and use rapid point where i don t think it asks for an epoch setting. not sure there. but topo point with 1 epoch is even slower for sure. 

so i noticed the slowness when first switching to access but also sort of put it aside as the software getting better solutions. but last week i worked side by side with a colleague using tsc3 and survey pro and the same head same of a common base. he could collect almost twice as many points than i could. it is pretty much instantaneous when you press the button. 

to marian s point about quality. sure when you are shooting a hard surface, it is nice to have higher quality. but when topoing rough terrain it is rare that mm or even and inch is going to matter. the issue here is that we are not finding a way to drop access to the fastest collection speed and forgo the quality a little when the tech is out there to do it. 

on a slight side note. we run rtk and logging and have to have logging at 1 sec in order to collect 1 sec epoch data on control point shots. for a regular rtk shot. with survey pro you can have the head record at 5 sec intervals and still shoot rtk at 1sec. so we get large data files for no reason off the head. 

thanks. 

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

Yes, Access.

Edit Survey Style.

We are using 4-5 years old TSC7 v1 with Access 2022 or 2023

BC, yes I think the amount of free space in the RAM/storage is a factor aswell, my device was fairly "packed", cleaned some out and yes, its a bit more responsive now, as far as poking around in the GUI goes. It does not however change that "slowness" of GPS measures to any greater extent unfortunately. 

Marian, I did have a look at the settings for the GPS, cant duplicate what your saying, the quick measure(the detail measure has some PDOP etc one can fiddle around with, but nothing for the quickmeasure, which isn't all that quick....) has no setting to adjust within the measurement profile(not that I can find anyway), where is that setting within the access? Have you done this with a TCS7 & access??

Ian, I totally agree, does not have to be all that "accurate" for just about anything I'd say(even with quility check of this and that, how precise could it be? +-50mm, 100mm?). If one does want some better quality from the GPS, a average point of say 20-30 measurements is what I mostly do. If precision is required then use the total station. The GPS is not really to be trusted with better accuracy than +-50mm if you ask me. I also agree that as things are now, a Leica or a older Trimble would be about twice as fast for the type of work I do, would really like to hear what the developers has to say about this?

Cheers!

i would like to agree with the first post. i think there is something funny and slow going on with access. 

we are running tsc 5 with access 2023 latest version and sp80/85 heads. i have the settings down to one second and use rapid point where i don t think it asks for an epoch setting. not sure there. but topo point with 1 epoch is even slower for sure. 

so i noticed the slowness when first switching to access but also sort of put it aside as the software getting better solutions. but last week i worked side by side with a colleague using tsc3 and survey pro and the same head same of a common base. he could collect almost twice as many points than i could. it is pretty much instantaneous when you press the button. 

to marian s point about quality. sure when you are shooting a hard surface, it is nice to have higher quality. but when topoing rough terrain it is rare that mm or even and inch is going to matter. the issue here is that we are not finding a way to drop access to the fastest collection speed and forgo the quality a little when the tech is out there to do it. 

on a slight side note. we run rtk and logging and have to have logging at 1 sec in order to collect 1 sec epoch data on control point shots. for a regular rtk shot. with survey pro you can have the head record at 5 sec intervals and still shoot rtk at 1sec. so we get large data files for no reason off the head. 

thanks. 

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

Thanks Marian, I did just had a look at the settings/measurement profiles/GNSS R12i/settings for rover/ (I have a swedish language GUI...)

in the first pic is the settings for rover, cant see anything about minimum epochs seconds in there ?

second pic, if in measuring GPS mode and choose "rapidpoint" method and option at bottom screen, this is what I get, no epoch 1-9999 (?)

third pic, in measuring GPS mode and choose "detailpoint" method, and option at bottom screen, no epoch 1-9999 there either (?), have tried setting this to 1 way back when I first got this equipm, and it has no real effect on measure time/registration

Yes, Access.

Edit Survey Style.

We are using 4-5 years old TSC7 v1 with Access 2022 or 2023

BC, yes I think the amount of free space in the RAM/storage is a factor aswell, my device was fairly "packed", cleaned some out and yes, its a bit more responsive now, as far as poking around in the GUI goes. It does not however change that "slowness" of GPS measures to any greater extent unfortunately. 

Marian, I did have a look at the settings for the GPS, cant duplicate what your saying, the quick measure(the detail measure has some PDOP etc one can fiddle around with, but nothing for the quickmeasure, which isn't all that quick....) has no setting to adjust within the measurement profile(not that I can find anyway), where is that setting within the access? Have you done this with a TCS7 & access??

Ian, I totally agree, does not have to be all that "accurate" for just about anything I'd say(even with quility check of this and that, how precise could it be? +-50mm, 100mm?). If one does want some better quality from the GPS, a average point of say 20-30 measurements is what I mostly do. If precision is required then use the total station. The GPS is not really to be trusted with better accuracy than +-50mm if you ask me. I also agree that as things are now, a Leica or a older Trimble would be about twice as fast for the type of work I do, would really like to hear what the developers has to say about this?

Cheers!

i would like to agree with the first post. i think there is something funny and slow going on with access. 

we are running tsc 5 with access 2023 latest version and sp80/85 heads. i have the settings down to one second and use rapid point where i don t think it asks for an epoch setting. not sure there. but topo point with 1 epoch is even slower for sure. 

so i noticed the slowness when first switching to access but also sort of put it aside as the software getting better solutions. but last week i worked side by side with a colleague using tsc3 and survey pro and the same head same of a common base. he could collect almost twice as many points than i could. it is pretty much instantaneous when you press the button. 

to marian s point about quality. sure when you are shooting a hard surface, it is nice to have higher quality. but when topoing rough terrain it is rare that mm or even and inch is going to matter. the issue here is that we are not finding a way to drop access to the fastest collection speed and forgo the quality a little when the tech is out there to do it. 

on a slight side note. we run rtk and logging and have to have logging at 1 sec in order to collect 1 sec epoch data on control point shots. for a regular rtk shot. with survey pro you can have the head record at 5 sec intervals and still shoot rtk at 1sec. so we get large data files for no reason off the head. 

thanks. 

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

3rd screen is the one you're after.

Detalij punkt. Set QC to QC1 only.

Mattid set to 1 second or 0 seconds if possible.

Antal matningar (epochs) set to 1.

Automatically save the points, do not prompt for attributes, do not see before storing.

Turn off tilt corrections in R12i.

It will be instantaneous.

P.S. You guys are still running on SBG Geo in Sweden? Leica Icon software reminds me of it big time.

I used to service my jiggers at Trimtec in Kista when I worked in Stockholm in 2011.

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Marian

Original Message:
Sent: 10-04-2023 23:53
From: Kåre Jakobsson
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

Thanks Marian, I did just had a look at the settings/measurement profiles/GNSS R12i/settings for rover/ (I have a swedish language GUI...)

in the first pic is the settings for rover, cant see anything about minimum epochs seconds in there ?

second pic, if in measuring GPS mode and choose "rapidpoint" method and option at bottom screen, this is what I get, no epoch 1-9999 (?)

third pic, in measuring GPS mode and choose "detailpoint" method, and option at bottom screen, no epoch 1-9999 there either (?), have tried setting this to 1 way back when I first got this equipm, and it has no real effect on measure time/registration

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Kåre Jakobsson

Original Message:
Sent: 10-04-2023 22:43
From: Marian Plucinski
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

Yes, Access.

Edit Survey Style.

We are using 4-5 years old TSC7 v1 with Access 2022 or 2023

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Marian

Original Message:
Sent: 09-25-2023 00:06
From: Kåre Jakobsson
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

BC, yes I think the amount of free space in the RAM/storage is a factor aswell, my device was fairly "packed", cleaned some out and yes, its a bit more responsive now, as far as poking around in the GUI goes. It does not however change that "slowness" of GPS measures to any greater extent unfortunately. 

Marian, I did have a look at the settings for the GPS, cant duplicate what your saying, the quick measure(the detail measure has some PDOP etc one can fiddle around with, but nothing for the quickmeasure, which isn't all that quick....) has no setting to adjust within the measurement profile(not that I can find anyway), where is that setting within the access? Have you done this with a TCS7 & access??

Ian, I totally agree, does not have to be all that "accurate" for just about anything I'd say(even with quility check of this and that, how precise could it be? +-50mm, 100mm?). If one does want some better quality from the GPS, a average point of say 20-30 measurements is what I mostly do. If precision is required then use the total station. The GPS is not really to be trusted with better accuracy than +-50mm if you ask me. I also agree that as things are now, a Leica or a older Trimble would be about twice as fast for the type of work I do, would really like to hear what the developers has to say about this?

Cheers!

------------------------------
Kåre Jakobsson

Original Message:
Sent: 09-23-2023 08:06
From: ian bissonnette
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

i would like to agree with the first post. i think there is something funny and slow going on with access. 

we are running tsc 5 with access 2023 latest version and sp80/85 heads. i have the settings down to one second and use rapid point where i don t think it asks for an epoch setting. not sure there. but topo point with 1 epoch is even slower for sure. 

so i noticed the slowness when first switching to access but also sort of put it aside as the software getting better solutions. but last week i worked side by side with a colleague using tsc3 and survey pro and the same head same of a common base. he could collect almost twice as many points than i could. it is pretty much instantaneous when you press the button. 

to marian s point about quality. sure when you are shooting a hard surface, it is nice to have higher quality. but when topoing rough terrain it is rare that mm or even and inch is going to matter. the issue here is that we are not finding a way to drop access to the fastest collection speed and forgo the quality a little when the tech is out there to do it. 

on a slight side note. we run rtk and logging and have to have logging at 1 sec in order to collect 1 sec epoch data on control point shots. for a regular rtk shot. with survey pro you can have the head record at 5 sec intervals and still shoot rtk at 1sec. so we get large data files for no reason off the head. 

thanks. 

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ian bissonnette

Original Message:
Sent: 09-21-2023 23:57
From: Marian Plucinski
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

------------------------------
Marian

Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2023 08:05
From: Kåre Jakobsson
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

------------------------------
Kåre Jakobsson
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thanks, Marian, will have a look into this monday morning. So one difference btw Leica/Trimble right there is that Leica stores with tilt active. By Leica I mean Leica hardware, and running SBG Geopad(the feild computer software from SBG) or Leica captivate(which I've never used properly) software for feild computer. Yes, many ppl here using SBG's software, most projects I've been in has been SBG Geo oriented. Will try monday and see if these settings speed things up,

3rd screen is the one you're after.

Detalij punkt. Set QC to QC1 only.

Mattid set to 1 second or 0 seconds if possible.

Antal matningar (epochs) set to 1.

Automatically save the points, do not prompt for attributes, do not see before storing.

Turn off tilt corrections in R12i.

It will be instantaneous.

P.S. You guys are still running on SBG Geo in Sweden? Leica Icon software reminds me of it big time.

I used to service my jiggers at Trimtec in Kista when I worked in Stockholm in 2011.

Thanks Marian, I did just had a look at the settings/measurement profiles/GNSS R12i/settings for rover/ (I have a swedish language GUI...)

in the first pic is the settings for rover, cant see anything about minimum epochs seconds in there ?

second pic, if in measuring GPS mode and choose "rapidpoint" method and option at bottom screen, this is what I get, no epoch 1-9999 (?)

third pic, in measuring GPS mode and choose "detailpoint" method, and option at bottom screen, no epoch 1-9999 there either (?), have tried setting this to 1 way back when I first got this equipm, and it has no real effect on measure time/registration

Yes, Access.

Edit Survey Style.

We are using 4-5 years old TSC7 v1 with Access 2022 or 2023

BC, yes I think the amount of free space in the RAM/storage is a factor aswell, my device was fairly "packed", cleaned some out and yes, its a bit more responsive now, as far as poking around in the GUI goes. It does not however change that "slowness" of GPS measures to any greater extent unfortunately. 

Marian, I did have a look at the settings for the GPS, cant duplicate what your saying, the quick measure(the detail measure has some PDOP etc one can fiddle around with, but nothing for the quickmeasure, which isn't all that quick....) has no setting to adjust within the measurement profile(not that I can find anyway), where is that setting within the access? Have you done this with a TCS7 & access??

Ian, I totally agree, does not have to be all that "accurate" for just about anything I'd say(even with quility check of this and that, how precise could it be? +-50mm, 100mm?). If one does want some better quality from the GPS, a average point of say 20-30 measurements is what I mostly do. If precision is required then use the total station. The GPS is not really to be trusted with better accuracy than +-50mm if you ask me. I also agree that as things are now, a Leica or a older Trimble would be about twice as fast for the type of work I do, would really like to hear what the developers has to say about this?

Cheers!

i would like to agree with the first post. i think there is something funny and slow going on with access. 

we are running tsc 5 with access 2023 latest version and sp80/85 heads. i have the settings down to one second and use rapid point where i don t think it asks for an epoch setting. not sure there. but topo point with 1 epoch is even slower for sure. 

so i noticed the slowness when first switching to access but also sort of put it aside as the software getting better solutions. but last week i worked side by side with a colleague using tsc3 and survey pro and the same head same of a common base. he could collect almost twice as many points than i could. it is pretty much instantaneous when you press the button. 

to marian s point about quality. sure when you are shooting a hard surface, it is nice to have higher quality. but when topoing rough terrain it is rare that mm or even and inch is going to matter. the issue here is that we are not finding a way to drop access to the fastest collection speed and forgo the quality a little when the tech is out there to do it. 

on a slight side note. we run rtk and logging and have to have logging at 1 sec in order to collect 1 sec epoch data on control point shots. for a regular rtk shot. with survey pro you can have the head record at 5 sec intervals and still shoot rtk at 1sec. so we get large data files for no reason off the head. 

thanks. 

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

3rd screen is the one you're after.

Detalij punkt. Set QC to QC1 only.

Mattid set to 1 second or 0 seconds if possible.

Antal matningar (epochs) set to 1.

Automatically save the points, do not prompt for attributes, do not see before storing.

Turn off tilt corrections in R12i.

It will be instantaneous.

P.S. You guys are still running on SBG Geo in Sweden? Leica Icon software reminds me of it big time.

I used to service my jiggers at Trimtec in Kista when I worked in Stockholm in 2011.

Thanks Marian, I did just had a look at the settings/measurement profiles/GNSS R12i/settings for rover/ (I have a swedish language GUI...)

in the first pic is the settings for rover, cant see anything about minimum epochs seconds in there ?

second pic, if in measuring GPS mode and choose "rapidpoint" method and option at bottom screen, this is what I get, no epoch 1-9999 (?)

third pic, in measuring GPS mode and choose "detailpoint" method, and option at bottom screen, no epoch 1-9999 there either (?), have tried setting this to 1 way back when I first got this equipm, and it has no real effect on measure time/registration

Yes, Access.

Edit Survey Style.

We are using 4-5 years old TSC7 v1 with Access 2022 or 2023

BC, yes I think the amount of free space in the RAM/storage is a factor aswell, my device was fairly "packed", cleaned some out and yes, its a bit more responsive now, as far as poking around in the GUI goes. It does not however change that "slowness" of GPS measures to any greater extent unfortunately. 

Marian, I did have a look at the settings for the GPS, cant duplicate what your saying, the quick measure(the detail measure has some PDOP etc one can fiddle around with, but nothing for the quickmeasure, which isn't all that quick....) has no setting to adjust within the measurement profile(not that I can find anyway), where is that setting within the access? Have you done this with a TCS7 & access??

Ian, I totally agree, does not have to be all that "accurate" for just about anything I'd say(even with quility check of this and that, how precise could it be? +-50mm, 100mm?). If one does want some better quality from the GPS, a average point of say 20-30 measurements is what I mostly do. If precision is required then use the total station. The GPS is not really to be trusted with better accuracy than +-50mm if you ask me. I also agree that as things are now, a Leica or a older Trimble would be about twice as fast for the type of work I do, would really like to hear what the developers has to say about this?

Cheers!

i would like to agree with the first post. i think there is something funny and slow going on with access. 

we are running tsc 5 with access 2023 latest version and sp80/85 heads. i have the settings down to one second and use rapid point where i don t think it asks for an epoch setting. not sure there. but topo point with 1 epoch is even slower for sure. 

so i noticed the slowness when first switching to access but also sort of put it aside as the software getting better solutions. but last week i worked side by side with a colleague using tsc3 and survey pro and the same head same of a common base. he could collect almost twice as many points than i could. it is pretty much instantaneous when you press the button. 

to marian s point about quality. sure when you are shooting a hard surface, it is nice to have higher quality. but when topoing rough terrain it is rare that mm or even and inch is going to matter. the issue here is that we are not finding a way to drop access to the fastest collection speed and forgo the quality a little when the tech is out there to do it. 

on a slight side note. we run rtk and logging and have to have logging at 1 sec in order to collect 1 sec epoch data on control point shots. for a regular rtk shot. with survey pro you can have the head record at 5 sec intervals and still shoot rtk at 1sec. so we get large data files for no reason off the head. 

thanks. 

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

3rd screen is the one you're after.

Detalij punkt. Set QC to QC1 only.

Mattid set to 1 second or 0 seconds if possible.

Antal matningar (epochs) set to 1.

Automatically save the points, do not prompt for attributes, do not see before storing.

Turn off tilt corrections in R12i.

It will be instantaneous.

P.S. You guys are still running on SBG Geo in Sweden? Leica Icon software reminds me of it big time.

I used to service my jiggers at Trimtec in Kista when I worked in Stockholm in 2011.

Thanks Marian, I did just had a look at the settings/measurement profiles/GNSS R12i/settings for rover/ (I have a swedish language GUI...)

in the first pic is the settings for rover, cant see anything about minimum epochs seconds in there ?

second pic, if in measuring GPS mode and choose "rapidpoint" method and option at bottom screen, this is what I get, no epoch 1-9999 (?)

third pic, in measuring GPS mode and choose "detailpoint" method, and option at bottom screen, no epoch 1-9999 there either (?), have tried setting this to 1 way back when I first got this equipm, and it has no real effect on measure time/registration

Yes, Access.

Edit Survey Style.

We are using 4-5 years old TSC7 v1 with Access 2022 or 2023

BC, yes I think the amount of free space in the RAM/storage is a factor aswell, my device was fairly "packed", cleaned some out and yes, its a bit more responsive now, as far as poking around in the GUI goes. It does not however change that "slowness" of GPS measures to any greater extent unfortunately. 

Marian, I did have a look at the settings for the GPS, cant duplicate what your saying, the quick measure(the detail measure has some PDOP etc one can fiddle around with, but nothing for the quickmeasure, which isn't all that quick....) has no setting to adjust within the measurement profile(not that I can find anyway), where is that setting within the access? Have you done this with a TCS7 & access??

Ian, I totally agree, does not have to be all that "accurate" for just about anything I'd say(even with quility check of this and that, how precise could it be? +-50mm, 100mm?). If one does want some better quality from the GPS, a average point of say 20-30 measurements is what I mostly do. If precision is required then use the total station. The GPS is not really to be trusted with better accuracy than +-50mm if you ask me. I also agree that as things are now, a Leica or a older Trimble would be about twice as fast for the type of work I do, would really like to hear what the developers has to say about this?

Cheers!

i would like to agree with the first post. i think there is something funny and slow going on with access. 

we are running tsc 5 with access 2023 latest version and sp80/85 heads. i have the settings down to one second and use rapid point where i don t think it asks for an epoch setting. not sure there. but topo point with 1 epoch is even slower for sure. 

so i noticed the slowness when first switching to access but also sort of put it aside as the software getting better solutions. but last week i worked side by side with a colleague using tsc3 and survey pro and the same head same of a common base. he could collect almost twice as many points than i could. it is pretty much instantaneous when you press the button. 

to marian s point about quality. sure when you are shooting a hard surface, it is nice to have higher quality. but when topoing rough terrain it is rare that mm or even and inch is going to matter. the issue here is that we are not finding a way to drop access to the fastest collection speed and forgo the quality a little when the tech is out there to do it. 

on a slight side note. we run rtk and logging and have to have logging at 1 sec in order to collect 1 sec epoch data on control point shots. for a regular rtk shot. with survey pro you can have the head record at 5 sec intervals and still shoot rtk at 1sec. so we get large data files for no reason off the head. 

thanks. 

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

Ok, did have a talk with the local Trimble support, they are going to investigate this slowness phenomena a bit, so I guess it's going to be alright in the end, whatever solution is doable. Also mentioned the 3rd party solution: -not going to happen, was the short answer to that. Personally I dont see why not(?), Topcon/Sokkia/Lecia/ etc etc, are all open to use with SBG Geopad. I'll get back with the verdict from the support,

Cheers!

k.

3rd screen is the one you're after.

Detalij punkt. Set QC to QC1 only.

Mattid set to 1 second or 0 seconds if possible.

Antal matningar (epochs) set to 1.

Automatically save the points, do not prompt for attributes, do not see before storing.

Turn off tilt corrections in R12i.

It will be instantaneous.

P.S. You guys are still running on SBG Geo in Sweden? Leica Icon software reminds me of it big time.

I used to service my jiggers at Trimtec in Kista when I worked in Stockholm in 2011.

Thanks Marian, I did just had a look at the settings/measurement profiles/GNSS R12i/settings for rover/ (I have a swedish language GUI...)

in the first pic is the settings for rover, cant see anything about minimum epochs seconds in there ?

second pic, if in measuring GPS mode and choose "rapidpoint" method and option at bottom screen, this is what I get, no epoch 1-9999 (?)

third pic, in measuring GPS mode and choose "detailpoint" method, and option at bottom screen, no epoch 1-9999 there either (?), have tried setting this to 1 way back when I first got this equipm, and it has no real effect on measure time/registration

Yes, Access.

Edit Survey Style.

We are using 4-5 years old TSC7 v1 with Access 2022 or 2023

BC, yes I think the amount of free space in the RAM/storage is a factor aswell, my device was fairly "packed", cleaned some out and yes, its a bit more responsive now, as far as poking around in the GUI goes. It does not however change that "slowness" of GPS measures to any greater extent unfortunately. 

Marian, I did have a look at the settings for the GPS, cant duplicate what your saying, the quick measure(the detail measure has some PDOP etc one can fiddle around with, but nothing for the quickmeasure, which isn't all that quick....) has no setting to adjust within the measurement profile(not that I can find anyway), where is that setting within the access? Have you done this with a TCS7 & access??

Ian, I totally agree, does not have to be all that "accurate" for just about anything I'd say(even with quility check of this and that, how precise could it be? +-50mm, 100mm?). If one does want some better quality from the GPS, a average point of say 20-30 measurements is what I mostly do. If precision is required then use the total station. The GPS is not really to be trusted with better accuracy than +-50mm if you ask me. I also agree that as things are now, a Leica or a older Trimble would be about twice as fast for the type of work I do, would really like to hear what the developers has to say about this?

Cheers!

i would like to agree with the first post. i think there is something funny and slow going on with access. 

we are running tsc 5 with access 2023 latest version and sp80/85 heads. i have the settings down to one second and use rapid point where i don t think it asks for an epoch setting. not sure there. but topo point with 1 epoch is even slower for sure. 

so i noticed the slowness when first switching to access but also sort of put it aside as the software getting better solutions. but last week i worked side by side with a colleague using tsc3 and survey pro and the same head same of a common base. he could collect almost twice as many points than i could. it is pretty much instantaneous when you press the button. 

to marian s point about quality. sure when you are shooting a hard surface, it is nice to have higher quality. but when topoing rough terrain it is rare that mm or even and inch is going to matter. the issue here is that we are not finding a way to drop access to the fastest collection speed and forgo the quality a little when the tech is out there to do it. 

on a slight side note. we run rtk and logging and have to have logging at 1 sec in order to collect 1 sec epoch data on control point shots. for a regular rtk shot. with survey pro you can have the head record at 5 sec intervals and still shoot rtk at 1sec. so we get large data files for no reason off the head. 

thanks. 

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

Ok, did have a talk with the local Trimble support, they are going to investigate this slowness phenomena a bit, so I guess it's going to be alright in the end, whatever solution is doable. Also mentioned the 3rd party solution: -not going to happen, was the short answer to that. Personally I dont see why not(?), Topcon/Sokkia/Lecia/ etc etc, are all open to use with SBG Geopad. I'll get back with the verdict from the support,

Cheers!

k.

3rd screen is the one you're after.

Detalij punkt. Set QC to QC1 only.

Mattid set to 1 second or 0 seconds if possible.

Antal matningar (epochs) set to 1.

Automatically save the points, do not prompt for attributes, do not see before storing.

Turn off tilt corrections in R12i.

It will be instantaneous.

P.S. You guys are still running on SBG Geo in Sweden? Leica Icon software reminds me of it big time.

I used to service my jiggers at Trimtec in Kista when I worked in Stockholm in 2011.

Thanks Marian, I did just had a look at the settings/measurement profiles/GNSS R12i/settings for rover/ (I have a swedish language GUI...)

in the first pic is the settings for rover, cant see anything about minimum epochs seconds in there ?

second pic, if in measuring GPS mode and choose "rapidpoint" method and option at bottom screen, this is what I get, no epoch 1-9999 (?)

third pic, in measuring GPS mode and choose "detailpoint" method, and option at bottom screen, no epoch 1-9999 there either (?), have tried setting this to 1 way back when I first got this equipm, and it has no real effect on measure time/registration

Yes, Access.

Edit Survey Style.

We are using 4-5 years old TSC7 v1 with Access 2022 or 2023

BC, yes I think the amount of free space in the RAM/storage is a factor aswell, my device was fairly "packed", cleaned some out and yes, its a bit more responsive now, as far as poking around in the GUI goes. It does not however change that "slowness" of GPS measures to any greater extent unfortunately. 

Marian, I did have a look at the settings for the GPS, cant duplicate what your saying, the quick measure(the detail measure has some PDOP etc one can fiddle around with, but nothing for the quickmeasure, which isn't all that quick....) has no setting to adjust within the measurement profile(not that I can find anyway), where is that setting within the access? Have you done this with a TCS7 & access??

Ian, I totally agree, does not have to be all that "accurate" for just about anything I'd say(even with quility check of this and that, how precise could it be? +-50mm, 100mm?). If one does want some better quality from the GPS, a average point of say 20-30 measurements is what I mostly do. If precision is required then use the total station. The GPS is not really to be trusted with better accuracy than +-50mm if you ask me. I also agree that as things are now, a Leica or a older Trimble would be about twice as fast for the type of work I do, would really like to hear what the developers has to say about this?

Cheers!

i would like to agree with the first post. i think there is something funny and slow going on with access. 

we are running tsc 5 with access 2023 latest version and sp80/85 heads. i have the settings down to one second and use rapid point where i don t think it asks for an epoch setting. not sure there. but topo point with 1 epoch is even slower for sure. 

so i noticed the slowness when first switching to access but also sort of put it aside as the software getting better solutions. but last week i worked side by side with a colleague using tsc3 and survey pro and the same head same of a common base. he could collect almost twice as many points than i could. it is pretty much instantaneous when you press the button. 

to marian s point about quality. sure when you are shooting a hard surface, it is nice to have higher quality. but when topoing rough terrain it is rare that mm or even and inch is going to matter. the issue here is that we are not finding a way to drop access to the fastest collection speed and forgo the quality a little when the tech is out there to do it. 

on a slight side note. we run rtk and logging and have to have logging at 1 sec in order to collect 1 sec epoch data on control point shots. for a regular rtk shot. with survey pro you can have the head record at 5 sec intervals and still shoot rtk at 1sec. so we get large data files for no reason off the head. 

thanks. 

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

i would like to agree with the first post. i think there is something funny and slow going on with access. 

we are running tsc 5 with access 2023 latest version and sp80/85 heads. i have the settings down to one second and use rapid point where i don t think it asks for an epoch setting. not sure there. but topo point with 1 epoch is even slower for sure. 

so i noticed the slowness when first switching to access but also sort of put it aside as the software getting better solutions. but last week i worked side by side with a colleague using tsc3 and survey pro and the same head same of a common base. he could collect almost twice as many points than i could. it is pretty much instantaneous when you press the button. 

to marian s point about quality. sure when you are shooting a hard surface, it is nice to have higher quality. but when topoing rough terrain it is rare that mm or even and inch is going to matter. the issue here is that we are not finding a way to drop access to the fastest collection speed and forgo the quality a little when the tech is out there to do it. 

on a slight side note. we run rtk and logging and have to have logging at 1 sec in order to collect 1 sec epoch data on control point shots. for a regular rtk shot. with survey pro you can have the head record at 5 sec intervals and still shoot rtk at 1sec. so we get large data files for no reason off the head. 

thanks. 

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

Logging data rate for RTK + logging does not need to be at 1 second. I assume you are logging in your base only and  not in the rover?  Just today I was logging 10s at the base while observing RTK with my rover.  Logging rate is purely for static processing and doesn't need to be 1s just because you're using your rover RTK.  Logging data at the base is an extra function that doesn't affect RTK functionality.

i would like to agree with the first post. i think there is something funny and slow going on with access. 

we are running tsc 5 with access 2023 latest version and sp80/85 heads. i have the settings down to one second and use rapid point where i don t think it asks for an epoch setting. not sure there. but topo point with 1 epoch is even slower for sure. 

so i noticed the slowness when first switching to access but also sort of put it aside as the software getting better solutions. but last week i worked side by side with a colleague using tsc3 and survey pro and the same head same of a common base. he could collect almost twice as many points than i could. it is pretty much instantaneous when you press the button. 

to marian s point about quality. sure when you are shooting a hard surface, it is nice to have higher quality. but when topoing rough terrain it is rare that mm or even and inch is going to matter. the issue here is that we are not finding a way to drop access to the fastest collection speed and forgo the quality a little when the tech is out there to do it. 

on a slight side note. we run rtk and logging and have to have logging at 1 sec in order to collect 1 sec epoch data on control point shots. for a regular rtk shot. with survey pro you can have the head record at 5 sec intervals and still shoot rtk at 1sec. so we get large data files for no reason off the head. 

thanks. 

The fact that Access takes 2-3 seconds to store a point is related to fully configurable Access settings.

In Access you can set up MINIUM amout of epochs you want to capture with predefined accuracy (from 1 to 9999) and MINIUMUM amount of seconds you want to observe a point (1 to 9999).

Set it all to 1 and enjoy your fraction of a second, no double checking, no confidence, immiedetly saved point (apparently default Leica settings).

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

What is a R8i from Trimble?

From my experience, once you press the "store" button (be it robot or GNSS) the observation is finished and I move on.  I don't wait for the audio telling me observation stored. It's more of a data communication of data to get the "observation stored".  You can use a "rapid point" which is faster but it's said about a 1 in 10 chance the data will be bad because it's all singular observations with no redundancy.

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

sorry, the GPS model I use is the R12i, of course, 

Cheers!

What is a R8i from Trimble?

From my experience, once you press the "store" button (be it robot or GNSS) the observation is finished and I move on.  I don't wait for the audio telling me observation stored. It's more of a data communication of data to get the "observation stored".  You can use a "rapid point" which is faster but it's said about a 1 in 10 chance the data will be bad because it's all singular observations with no redundancy.

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

A topo point in Trimble Access with a R12i will take about 2 seconds to measure. If you want something faster that that try measuring a rapid point.

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James McWha
Asia Pacific Regional Support Manager, Geospatial

Original Message:
Sent: 09-25-2023 23:27
From: Kåre Jakobsson
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

sorry, the GPS model I use is the R12i, of course, 

Cheers!

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Kåre Jakobsson

Original Message:
Sent: 09-25-2023 18:33
From: Robert Hoy
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

What is a R8i from Trimble?

From my experience, once you press the "store" button (be it robot or GNSS) the observation is finished and I move on.  I don't wait for the audio telling me observation stored. It's more of a data communication of data to get the "observation stored".  You can use a "rapid point" which is faster but it's said about a 1 in 10 chance the data will be bad because it's all singular observations with no redundancy.

------------------------------
Robert Hoy

Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2023 08:05
From: Kåre Jakobsson
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

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Kåre Jakobsson
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thanks James, but as mentioned in first post the measure mode is at the fast/quick/rapid mode (whatever that means, it's anything but quick..), still takes about 2sec to register a measure with the GPS. I did ask about this about 2 years ago when I first got this equip, both at the local support and here at this forum, all saying,: -its great just use it as it is. Someone(here at this forum) brought up that old Trimble handheld/GPS eqipm was way faster to register a GPS measure. How can this be? Users just go: yeah, this is new equipment is just great, it takes a long time to register a quick measure but it goes: BING afterwards! If someone has some instructions to make this R12i/Access fast, and by that I mean instant registration, please post that here, thank you. 

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Kåre Jakobsson

Original Message:
Sent: 10-03-2023 15:14
From: James McWha
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

A topo point in Trimble Access with a R12i will take about 2 seconds to measure. If you want something faster that that try measuring a rapid point.

------------------------------
James McWha
Asia Pacific Regional Support Manager, Geospatial

Original Message:
Sent: 09-25-2023 23:27
From: Kåre Jakobsson
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

sorry, the GPS model I use is the R12i, of course, 

Cheers!

------------------------------
Kåre Jakobsson

Original Message:
Sent: 09-25-2023 18:33
From: Robert Hoy
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

What is a R8i from Trimble?

From my experience, once you press the "store" button (be it robot or GNSS) the observation is finished and I move on.  I don't wait for the audio telling me observation stored. It's more of a data communication of data to get the "observation stored".  You can use a "rapid point" which is faster but it's said about a 1 in 10 chance the data will be bad because it's all singular observations with no redundancy.

------------------------------
Robert Hoy

Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2023 08:05
From: Kåre Jakobsson
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

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Kåre Jakobsson
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Kåre, Rapid measure with the IMU on (tilt compensation) takes slightly longer to measure than with IMU off. So a 1sec rapid shot really becomes more like a 2sec shot, Its the price you pay for not having to hold plumb!

thanks James, but as mentioned in first post the measure mode is at the fast/quick/rapid mode (whatever that means, it's anything but quick..), still takes about 2sec to register a measure with the GPS. I did ask about this about 2 years ago when I first got this equip, both at the local support and here at this forum, all saying,: -its great just use it as it is. Someone(here at this forum) brought up that old Trimble handheld/GPS eqipm was way faster to register a GPS measure. How can this be? Users just go: yeah, this is new equipment is just great, it takes a long time to register a quick measure but it goes: BING afterwards! If someone has some instructions to make this R12i/Access fast, and by that I mean instant registration, please post that here, thank you. 

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Kåre Jakobsson

Original Message:
Sent: 10-03-2023 15:14
From: James McWha
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

A topo point in Trimble Access with a R12i will take about 2 seconds to measure. If you want something faster that that try measuring a rapid point.

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James McWha
Asia Pacific Regional Support Manager, Geospatial

Original Message:
Sent: 09-25-2023 23:27
From: Kåre Jakobsson
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

sorry, the GPS model I use is the R12i, of course, 

Cheers!

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Kåre Jakobsson

Original Message:
Sent: 09-25-2023 18:33
From: Robert Hoy
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

What is a R8i from Trimble?

From my experience, once you press the "store" button (be it robot or GNSS) the observation is finished and I move on.  I don't wait for the audio telling me observation stored. It's more of a data communication of data to get the "observation stored".  You can use a "rapid point" which is faster but it's said about a 1 in 10 chance the data will be bad because it's all singular observations with no redundancy.

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Robert Hoy

Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2023 08:05
From: Kåre Jakobsson
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

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Kåre Jakobsson
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A topo point in Trimble Access with a R12i will take about 2 seconds to measure. If you want something faster that that try measuring a rapid point.

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James McWha
Asia Pacific Regional Support Manager, Geospatial

Original Message:
Sent: 09-25-2023 23:27
From: Kåre Jakobsson
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

sorry, the GPS model I use is the R12i, of course, 

Cheers!

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Kåre Jakobsson

Original Message:
Sent: 09-25-2023 18:33
From: Robert Hoy
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

What is a R8i from Trimble?

From my experience, once you press the "store" button (be it robot or GNSS) the observation is finished and I move on.  I don't wait for the audio telling me observation stored. It's more of a data communication of data to get the "observation stored".  You can use a "rapid point" which is faster but it's said about a 1 in 10 chance the data will be bad because it's all singular observations with no redundancy.

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Robert Hoy

Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2023 08:05
From: Kåre Jakobsson
Subject: Acess TSC7 -R8i slow?

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

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Kåre Jakobsson
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What is a R8i from Trimble?

From my experience, once you press the "store" button (be it robot or GNSS) the observation is finished and I move on.  I don't wait for the audio telling me observation stored. It's more of a data communication of data to get the "observation stored".  You can use a "rapid point" which is faster but it's said about a 1 in 10 chance the data will be bad because it's all singular observations with no redundancy.

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!

Another thing to consider is the "Solution Latency". If you are using the same reference station and radio, this shouldn't be much of a difference between the 2 receivers. If you are using an RTN for the Trimble, and a radio for the Leica, then you will definitely see a difference. Radio correction latency is usually under 1 second, while an RTN latency can be several seconds. Trimble Access can display its correction latency if you tap the correction icon (I think).

Another aspect of solution latency is the measurement mode of the RTK receiver itself. Typically, we are roving in "Low-Latency" mode, where the receiver is using its last correction almost instantaneously. When we start an observation, it goes into "Synchronous" mode and the position solution waits for the same epoch correction to arrive. This allows for smooth response when roving, and more accurate positioning when "static" and observing a point, but will cause a 'lag' which can be a couple of seconds depending on the 'age' of the correction.

I don't know the specifics of your settings or Leica's, but I suspect that solution latency is your issue. If you are using a different correction source between the 2 systems, then a comparison isn't valid. I don't recall if a Continuous or Rapid point is "Low Latency" or "Synchronous" by default. If the Leica receiver is using whatever they call "Low Latency" mode when the Trimble receiver is in "Synchronous" mode, you will see at about a 1 second difference in when the position is computed. If you are

Update rate and latency (trimble.com)

Hi, here again with a bit of moaning..

the other day I borrowed a Lecia GPS(the tilt version) and a cs20 handheld, what a difference to the access/r8i in terms of time to register a measurment. So how can the TSC7/access be so incredebly slow to register a measurement, even set to quick measure within access it still takes 2-3s to register, something is not right I think. The cs20 is a almost 10year old handheld(?), the TSC7 2years max? the cs20 registers as you press the buttom, instantly, the TSC7 as said 2-3s, how can this be? so equipment is slowing me down, is there anything one can do to the access/TSC7 to make it register measurements faster/instantly ?

Cheers!