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Hi Attila

Have you tried the Scan-to-Scan Inspection in TBC, there you can create points and use those same points with each new scan you do every 2 days and compare them that way.

Regards

------------------------------
Albert Olivier
TBC Technical Product Manager

Original Message:
Sent: 02-06-2023 06:24
From: Attila Tóth
Subject: Brick castle wall

I have a problem.
I am doing a motion analysis of a brick castle wall. There is a lot of earthworks going on near the bottom. I have to check every 2 days. Until now, I have carried out color-coded monitoring by scanning, but now they are asking me to document the movement of specific points of the wall (120 points) perpendicular to the wall. The castle wall is a monument and I am not an alpinist, I cannot place points on the castle wall to measure it with a total station.
I came up with the idea of drawing contour lines and intersecting them with lines perpendicular to the wall.
First question: Is there an easier way?
Second question: How can I solve it so that it does not calculate the points with a height of 0.000 m? Do not have to adjust the height of the contour lines afterwards.
Third question: I scan with X7, when I scan all the stations are connected to each other. How can I divide it into groups of 8-10. Unlink deletes the connection between them. According to my experience, the georeferencing of smaller groups is more accurate.

Thank you for taking the time to think.

------------------------------
Attila Tóth
------------------------------

I doubt that one is accurate enough for his needs.

Not sure how accurate the X7 scans but I had issues with an SX10 scan of the underside of concrete girders. Directly neighboring points in the single cloud showed elevation differences of up to 5 mm, even head on directly above the instrument, so the spread in the clouds itself was rather large.

In the end I have to derive how much the girders bend by pouring the deck.

For starters I tried to derive the amount they deflect with changing temperatures during the day.

From measurements on top I knew that the temperature deflection is close to 10 mm. But the scan inspection report showed barely  3 mm.

I wrote me a macro that is selecting small slivers of the point cloud along some string lines and is computing a best fit parabola into those, and with those I get the 8-10 mm deflection.

So, I have no idea what the scan inspection does and how it computes the difference between clouds, but in my case it was way off and not trustworthy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 02-14-2023 01:26
From: Albert Olivier
Subject: Brick castle wall

Hi Attila

Have you tried the Scan-to-Scan Inspection in TBC, there you can create points and use those same points with each new scan you do every 2 days and compare them that way.

Regards

------------------------------
Albert Olivier
TBC Technical Product Manager

Original Message:
Sent: 02-06-2023 06:24
From: Attila Tóth
Subject: Brick castle wall

I have a problem.
I am doing a motion analysis of a brick castle wall. There is a lot of earthworks going on near the bottom. I have to check every 2 days. Until now, I have carried out color-coded monitoring by scanning, but now they are asking me to document the movement of specific points of the wall (120 points) perpendicular to the wall. The castle wall is a monument and I am not an alpinist, I cannot place points on the castle wall to measure it with a total station.
I came up with the idea of drawing contour lines and intersecting them with lines perpendicular to the wall.
First question: Is there an easier way?
Second question: How can I solve it so that it does not calculate the points with a height of 0.000 m? Do not have to adjust the height of the contour lines afterwards.
Third question: I scan with X7, when I scan all the stations are connected to each other. How can I divide it into groups of 8-10. Unlink deletes the connection between them. According to my experience, the georeferencing of smaller groups is more accurate.

Thank you for taking the time to think.

------------------------------
Attila Tóth
------------------------------

I doubt that one is accurate enough for his needs.

Not sure how accurate the X7 scans but I had issues with an SX10 scan of the underside of concrete girders. Directly neighboring points in the single cloud showed elevation differences of up to 5 mm, even head on directly above the instrument, so the spread in the clouds itself was rather large.

In the end I have to derive how much the girders bend by pouring the deck.

For starters I tried to derive the amount they deflect with changing temperatures during the day.

From measurements on top I knew that the temperature deflection is close to 10 mm. But the scan inspection report showed barely  3 mm.

I wrote me a macro that is selecting small slivers of the point cloud along some string lines and is computing a best fit parabola into those, and with those I get the 8-10 mm deflection.

So, I have no idea what the scan inspection does and how it computes the difference between clouds, but in my case it was way off and not trustworthy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 02-14-2023 01:26
From: Albert Olivier
Subject: Brick castle wall

Hi Attila

Have you tried the Scan-to-Scan Inspection in TBC, there you can create points and use those same points with each new scan you do every 2 days and compare them that way.

Regards

------------------------------
Albert Olivier
TBC Technical Product Manager

Original Message:
Sent: 02-06-2023 06:24
From: Attila Tóth
Subject: Brick castle wall

I have a problem.
I am doing a motion analysis of a brick castle wall. There is a lot of earthworks going on near the bottom. I have to check every 2 days. Until now, I have carried out color-coded monitoring by scanning, but now they are asking me to document the movement of specific points of the wall (120 points) perpendicular to the wall. The castle wall is a monument and I am not an alpinist, I cannot place points on the castle wall to measure it with a total station.
I came up with the idea of drawing contour lines and intersecting them with lines perpendicular to the wall.
First question: Is there an easier way?
Second question: How can I solve it so that it does not calculate the points with a height of 0.000 m? Do not have to adjust the height of the contour lines afterwards.
Third question: I scan with X7, when I scan all the stations are connected to each other. How can I divide it into groups of 8-10. Unlink deletes the connection between them. According to my experience, the georeferencing of smaller groups is more accurate.

Thank you for taking the time to think.

------------------------------
Attila Tóth
------------------------------

Thank you for your answers!

Albert Olivier I tried the scan to scan inspection method, it didn't work properly. It is not possible to examine the same point, because during scanning I can never measure the same point as with a totalstation.

 I think that during the inspection, the deviation is not calculated for all points, but only for a reduced amount of points, as when making the surface.

Ronny Schneider  I would love to try your macro. Does it work with projected surface? Does it work with 120 straight lines?

I doubt that one is accurate enough for his needs.

Not sure how accurate the X7 scans but I had issues with an SX10 scan of the underside of concrete girders. Directly neighboring points in the single cloud showed elevation differences of up to 5 mm, even head on directly above the instrument, so the spread in the clouds itself was rather large.

In the end I have to derive how much the girders bend by pouring the deck.

For starters I tried to derive the amount they deflect with changing temperatures during the day.

From measurements on top I knew that the temperature deflection is close to 10 mm. But the scan inspection report showed barely  3 mm.

I wrote me a macro that is selecting small slivers of the point cloud along some string lines and is computing a best fit parabola into those, and with those I get the 8-10 mm deflection.

So, I have no idea what the scan inspection does and how it computes the difference between clouds, but in my case it was way off and not trustworthy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 02-14-2023 01:26
From: Albert Olivier
Subject: Brick castle wall

Hi Attila

Have you tried the Scan-to-Scan Inspection in TBC, there you can create points and use those same points with each new scan you do every 2 days and compare them that way.

Regards

------------------------------
Albert Olivier
TBC Technical Product Manager

Original Message:
Sent: 02-06-2023 06:24
From: Attila Tóth
Subject: Brick castle wall

I have a problem.
I am doing a motion analysis of a brick castle wall. There is a lot of earthworks going on near the bottom. I have to check every 2 days. Until now, I have carried out color-coded monitoring by scanning, but now they are asking me to document the movement of specific points of the wall (120 points) perpendicular to the wall. The castle wall is a monument and I am not an alpinist, I cannot place points on the castle wall to measure it with a total station.
I came up with the idea of drawing contour lines and intersecting them with lines perpendicular to the wall.
First question: Is there an easier way?
Second question: How can I solve it so that it does not calculate the points with a height of 0.000 m? Do not have to adjust the height of the contour lines afterwards.
Third question: I scan with X7, when I scan all the stations are connected to each other. How can I divide it into groups of 8-10. Unlink deletes the connection between them. According to my experience, the georeferencing of smaller groups is more accurate.

Thank you for taking the time to think.

------------------------------
Attila Tóth
------------------------------

Thank you for your answers!

Albert Olivier I tried the scan to scan inspection method, it didn't work properly. It is not possible to examine the same point, because during scanning I can never measure the same point as with a totalstation.

 I think that during the inspection, the deviation is not calculated for all points, but only for a reduced amount of points, as when making the surface.

Ronny Schneider  I would love to try your macro. Does it work with projected surface? Does it work with 120 straight lines?

I doubt that one is accurate enough for his needs.

Not sure how accurate the X7 scans but I had issues with an SX10 scan of the underside of concrete girders. Directly neighboring points in the single cloud showed elevation differences of up to 5 mm, even head on directly above the instrument, so the spread in the clouds itself was rather large.

In the end I have to derive how much the girders bend by pouring the deck.

For starters I tried to derive the amount they deflect with changing temperatures during the day.

From measurements on top I knew that the temperature deflection is close to 10 mm. But the scan inspection report showed barely  3 mm.

I wrote me a macro that is selecting small slivers of the point cloud along some string lines and is computing a best fit parabola into those, and with those I get the 8-10 mm deflection.

So, I have no idea what the scan inspection does and how it computes the difference between clouds, but in my case it was way off and not trustworthy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 02-14-2023 01:26
From: Albert Olivier
Subject: Brick castle wall

Hi Attila

Have you tried the Scan-to-Scan Inspection in TBC, there you can create points and use those same points with each new scan you do every 2 days and compare them that way.

Regards

------------------------------
Albert Olivier
TBC Technical Product Manager

Original Message:
Sent: 02-06-2023 06:24
From: Attila Tóth
Subject: Brick castle wall

I have a problem.
I am doing a motion analysis of a brick castle wall. There is a lot of earthworks going on near the bottom. I have to check every 2 days. Until now, I have carried out color-coded monitoring by scanning, but now they are asking me to document the movement of specific points of the wall (120 points) perpendicular to the wall. The castle wall is a monument and I am not an alpinist, I cannot place points on the castle wall to measure it with a total station.
I came up with the idea of drawing contour lines and intersecting them with lines perpendicular to the wall.
First question: Is there an easier way?
Second question: How can I solve it so that it does not calculate the points with a height of 0.000 m? Do not have to adjust the height of the contour lines afterwards.
Third question: I scan with X7, when I scan all the stations are connected to each other. How can I divide it into groups of 8-10. Unlink deletes the connection between them. According to my experience, the georeferencing of smaller groups is more accurate.

Thank you for taking the time to think.

------------------------------
Attila Tóth
------------------------------

So, I've been playing around with my macro. In the end I didn't go down the road I had planned but stuck with the fake mouse gesture polygon select since it's much faster.

I enhanced it to work now in Cutting Plane View as well, see attached video.

If working in cutting plane view the

means below/above the line and I'm translating that value into a pure elevation difference, I don't apply any correction if the cutting plane view is tilted and not vertical.

I also add a macro again that can create contours on projected surfaces. I've posted that one here a long time ago. That's one of my first macros.

As always, unzip the content of the Zip-Files somewhere into "C:\ProgramData\Trimble\MacroCommands" and restart TBC.

See if it's of any help to you and let me know if you find any bugs.

Cheers

Ronny

Thank you for your answers!

Albert Olivier I tried the scan to scan inspection method, it didn't work properly. It is not possible to examine the same point, because during scanning I can never measure the same point as with a totalstation.

 I think that during the inspection, the deviation is not calculated for all points, but only for a reduced amount of points, as when making the surface.

Ronny Schneider  I would love to try your macro. Does it work with projected surface? Does it work with 120 straight lines?

I doubt that one is accurate enough for his needs.

Not sure how accurate the X7 scans but I had issues with an SX10 scan of the underside of concrete girders. Directly neighboring points in the single cloud showed elevation differences of up to 5 mm, even head on directly above the instrument, so the spread in the clouds itself was rather large.

In the end I have to derive how much the girders bend by pouring the deck.

For starters I tried to derive the amount they deflect with changing temperatures during the day.

From measurements on top I knew that the temperature deflection is close to 10 mm. But the scan inspection report showed barely  3 mm.

I wrote me a macro that is selecting small slivers of the point cloud along some string lines and is computing a best fit parabola into those, and with those I get the 8-10 mm deflection.

So, I have no idea what the scan inspection does and how it computes the difference between clouds, but in my case it was way off and not trustworthy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 02-14-2023 01:26
From: Albert Olivier
Subject: Brick castle wall

Hi Attila

Have you tried the Scan-to-Scan Inspection in TBC, there you can create points and use those same points with each new scan you do every 2 days and compare them that way.

Regards

------------------------------
Albert Olivier
TBC Technical Product Manager

Original Message:
Sent: 02-06-2023 06:24
From: Attila Tóth
Subject: Brick castle wall

I have a problem.
I am doing a motion analysis of a brick castle wall. There is a lot of earthworks going on near the bottom. I have to check every 2 days. Until now, I have carried out color-coded monitoring by scanning, but now they are asking me to document the movement of specific points of the wall (120 points) perpendicular to the wall. The castle wall is a monument and I am not an alpinist, I cannot place points on the castle wall to measure it with a total station.
I came up with the idea of drawing contour lines and intersecting them with lines perpendicular to the wall.
First question: Is there an easier way?
Second question: How can I solve it so that it does not calculate the points with a height of 0.000 m? Do not have to adjust the height of the contour lines afterwards.
Third question: I scan with X7, when I scan all the stations are connected to each other. How can I divide it into groups of 8-10. Unlink deletes the connection between them. According to my experience, the georeferencing of smaller groups is more accurate.

Thank you for taking the time to think.

------------------------------
Attila Tóth
------------------------------

So, I've been playing around with my macro. In the end I didn't go down the road I had planned but stuck with the fake mouse gesture polygon select since it's much faster.

I enhanced it to work now in Cutting Plane View as well, see attached video.

If working in cutting plane view the

means below/above the line and I'm translating that value into a pure elevation difference, I don't apply any correction if the cutting plane view is tilted and not vertical.

I also add a macro again that can create contours on projected surfaces. I've posted that one here a long time ago. That's one of my first macros.

As always, unzip the content of the Zip-Files somewhere into "C:\ProgramData\Trimble\MacroCommands" and restart TBC.

See if it's of any help to you and let me know if you find any bugs.

Cheers

Ronny

Thank you for your answers!

Albert Olivier I tried the scan to scan inspection method, it didn't work properly. It is not possible to examine the same point, because during scanning I can never measure the same point as with a totalstation.

 I think that during the inspection, the deviation is not calculated for all points, but only for a reduced amount of points, as when making the surface.

Ronny Schneider  I would love to try your macro. Does it work with projected surface? Does it work with 120 straight lines?

I doubt that one is accurate enough for his needs.

Not sure how accurate the X7 scans but I had issues with an SX10 scan of the underside of concrete girders. Directly neighboring points in the single cloud showed elevation differences of up to 5 mm, even head on directly above the instrument, so the spread in the clouds itself was rather large.

In the end I have to derive how much the girders bend by pouring the deck.

For starters I tried to derive the amount they deflect with changing temperatures during the day.

From measurements on top I knew that the temperature deflection is close to 10 mm. But the scan inspection report showed barely  3 mm.

I wrote me a macro that is selecting small slivers of the point cloud along some string lines and is computing a best fit parabola into those, and with those I get the 8-10 mm deflection.

So, I have no idea what the scan inspection does and how it computes the difference between clouds, but in my case it was way off and not trustworthy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 02-14-2023 01:26
From: Albert Olivier
Subject: Brick castle wall

Hi Attila

Have you tried the Scan-to-Scan Inspection in TBC, there you can create points and use those same points with each new scan you do every 2 days and compare them that way.

Regards

------------------------------
Albert Olivier
TBC Technical Product Manager

Original Message:
Sent: 02-06-2023 06:24
From: Attila Tóth
Subject: Brick castle wall

I have a problem.
I am doing a motion analysis of a brick castle wall. There is a lot of earthworks going on near the bottom. I have to check every 2 days. Until now, I have carried out color-coded monitoring by scanning, but now they are asking me to document the movement of specific points of the wall (120 points) perpendicular to the wall. The castle wall is a monument and I am not an alpinist, I cannot place points on the castle wall to measure it with a total station.
I came up with the idea of drawing contour lines and intersecting them with lines perpendicular to the wall.
First question: Is there an easier way?
Second question: How can I solve it so that it does not calculate the points with a height of 0.000 m? Do not have to adjust the height of the contour lines afterwards.
Third question: I scan with X7, when I scan all the stations are connected to each other. How can I divide it into groups of 8-10. Unlink deletes the connection between them. According to my experience, the georeferencing of smaller groups is more accurate.

Thank you for taking the time to think.

------------------------------
Attila Tóth
------------------------------

Hi Ronny!

Is there anyway of updating the SCR ProjectedSurfaceContour Command Macro for v5.90?  This is a very useful macro and I thank you on behalf of many of us. 

So, I've been playing around with my macro. In the end I didn't go down the road I had planned but stuck with the fake mouse gesture polygon select since it's much faster.

I enhanced it to work now in Cutting Plane View as well, see attached video.

If working in cutting plane view the

means below/above the line and I'm translating that value into a pure elevation difference, I don't apply any correction if the cutting plane view is tilted and not vertical.

I also add a macro again that can create contours on projected surfaces. I've posted that one here a long time ago. That's one of my first macros.

As always, unzip the content of the Zip-Files somewhere into "C:\ProgramData\Trimble\MacroCommands" and restart TBC.

See if it's of any help to you and let me know if you find any bugs.

Cheers

Ronny

Thank you for your answers!

Albert Olivier I tried the scan to scan inspection method, it didn't work properly. It is not possible to examine the same point, because during scanning I can never measure the same point as with a totalstation.

 I think that during the inspection, the deviation is not calculated for all points, but only for a reduced amount of points, as when making the surface.

Ronny Schneider  I would love to try your macro. Does it work with projected surface? Does it work with 120 straight lines?

I doubt that one is accurate enough for his needs.

Not sure how accurate the X7 scans but I had issues with an SX10 scan of the underside of concrete girders. Directly neighboring points in the single cloud showed elevation differences of up to 5 mm, even head on directly above the instrument, so the spread in the clouds itself was rather large.

In the end I have to derive how much the girders bend by pouring the deck.

For starters I tried to derive the amount they deflect with changing temperatures during the day.

From measurements on top I knew that the temperature deflection is close to 10 mm. But the scan inspection report showed barely  3 mm.

I wrote me a macro that is selecting small slivers of the point cloud along some string lines and is computing a best fit parabola into those, and with those I get the 8-10 mm deflection.

So, I have no idea what the scan inspection does and how it computes the difference between clouds, but in my case it was way off and not trustworthy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 02-14-2023 01:26
From: Albert Olivier
Subject: Brick castle wall

Hi Attila

Have you tried the Scan-to-Scan Inspection in TBC, there you can create points and use those same points with each new scan you do every 2 days and compare them that way.

Regards

------------------------------
Albert Olivier
TBC Technical Product Manager

Original Message:
Sent: 02-06-2023 06:24
From: Attila Tóth
Subject: Brick castle wall

I have a problem.
I am doing a motion analysis of a brick castle wall. There is a lot of earthworks going on near the bottom. I have to check every 2 days. Until now, I have carried out color-coded monitoring by scanning, but now they are asking me to document the movement of specific points of the wall (120 points) perpendicular to the wall. The castle wall is a monument and I am not an alpinist, I cannot place points on the castle wall to measure it with a total station.
I came up with the idea of drawing contour lines and intersecting them with lines perpendicular to the wall.
First question: Is there an easier way?
Second question: How can I solve it so that it does not calculate the points with a height of 0.000 m? Do not have to adjust the height of the contour lines afterwards.
Third question: I scan with X7, when I scan all the stations are connected to each other. How can I divide it into groups of 8-10. Unlink deletes the connection between them. According to my experience, the georeferencing of smaller groups is more accurate.

Thank you for taking the time to think.

------------------------------
Attila Tóth
------------------------------

Hello Attila,

attached the two macros as standalone v5.90 versions, to be unpacked anywhere in "C:\ProgramData\Trimble\MacroCommands3".

They most likely won't work with an older TBC version. And the help button won't work, you'd need the full package.

As mentioned in one of the other forum threads I'm in the process of final testing and compiling of two public GitHub repositories of all my macros that will include the help files. l hope to get this done till Friday.

Hi Ronny!

Is there anyway of updating the SCR ProjectedSurfaceContour Command Macro for v5.90?  This is a very useful macro and I thank you on behalf of many of us. 

So, I've been playing around with my macro. In the end I didn't go down the road I had planned but stuck with the fake mouse gesture polygon select since it's much faster.

I enhanced it to work now in Cutting Plane View as well, see attached video.

If working in cutting plane view the

means below/above the line and I'm translating that value into a pure elevation difference, I don't apply any correction if the cutting plane view is tilted and not vertical.

I also add a macro again that can create contours on projected surfaces. I've posted that one here a long time ago. That's one of my first macros.

As always, unzip the content of the Zip-Files somewhere into "C:\ProgramData\Trimble\MacroCommands" and restart TBC.

See if it's of any help to you and let me know if you find any bugs.

Cheers

Ronny

Thank you for your answers!

Albert Olivier I tried the scan to scan inspection method, it didn't work properly. It is not possible to examine the same point, because during scanning I can never measure the same point as with a totalstation.

 I think that during the inspection, the deviation is not calculated for all points, but only for a reduced amount of points, as when making the surface.

Ronny Schneider  I would love to try your macro. Does it work with projected surface? Does it work with 120 straight lines?

I doubt that one is accurate enough for his needs.

Not sure how accurate the X7 scans but I had issues with an SX10 scan of the underside of concrete girders. Directly neighboring points in the single cloud showed elevation differences of up to 5 mm, even head on directly above the instrument, so the spread in the clouds itself was rather large.

In the end I have to derive how much the girders bend by pouring the deck.

For starters I tried to derive the amount they deflect with changing temperatures during the day.

From measurements on top I knew that the temperature deflection is close to 10 mm. But the scan inspection report showed barely  3 mm.

I wrote me a macro that is selecting small slivers of the point cloud along some string lines and is computing a best fit parabola into those, and with those I get the 8-10 mm deflection.

So, I have no idea what the scan inspection does and how it computes the difference between clouds, but in my case it was way off and not trustworthy.

------------------------------
Ronny Schneider

Original Message:
Sent: 02-14-2023 01:26
From: Albert Olivier
Subject: Brick castle wall

Hi Attila

Have you tried the Scan-to-Scan Inspection in TBC, there you can create points and use those same points with each new scan you do every 2 days and compare them that way.

Regards

------------------------------
Albert Olivier
TBC Technical Product Manager

Original Message:
Sent: 02-06-2023 06:24
From: Attila Tóth
Subject: Brick castle wall

I have a problem.
I am doing a motion analysis of a brick castle wall. There is a lot of earthworks going on near the bottom. I have to check every 2 days. Until now, I have carried out color-coded monitoring by scanning, but now they are asking me to document the movement of specific points of the wall (120 points) perpendicular to the wall. The castle wall is a monument and I am not an alpinist, I cannot place points on the castle wall to measure it with a total station.
I came up with the idea of drawing contour lines and intersecting them with lines perpendicular to the wall.
First question: Is there an easier way?
Second question: How can I solve it so that it does not calculate the points with a height of 0.000 m? Do not have to adjust the height of the contour lines afterwards.
Third question: I scan with X7, when I scan all the stations are connected to each other. How can I divide it into groups of 8-10. Unlink deletes the connection between them. According to my experience, the georeferencing of smaller groups is more accurate.

Thank you for taking the time to think.

------------------------------
Attila Tóth
------------------------------