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I'm curious if anyone has any tricks for creating a takeoff site improvement that has a material where the depth has a maximum value or stops at original ground (or stripping).  For example if you have a building pad that has 8" of concrete, 12" of gravel, and then structural fill down to a max depth of 6'.  If you put in 6' as the depth it will create a cut if the 6' goes below original ground.  As far as I know there is no property or setting that allows it to be clipped at the original ground?

Seems like that would be a useful feature to add in if it doesn't already exist.

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Wayne Welshans
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Hi Wayne, 

How about the workflow below:

1) Create your improvement surface, even if it has unwanted cuts.
2) Merge your improvement surface with original ground using "keep maximum" option

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Marian Plucinski
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-07-2021 16:31
From: Wayne Welshans
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I'm curious if anyone has any tricks for creating a takeoff site improvement that has a material where the depth has a maximum value or stops at original ground (or stripping).  For example if you have a building pad that has 8" of concrete, 12" of gravel, and then structural fill down to a max depth of 6'.  If you put in 6' as the depth it will create a cut if the 6' goes below original ground.  As far as I know there is no property or setting that allows it to be clipped at the original ground?

Seems like that would be a useful feature to add in if it doesn't already exist.

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Wayne Welshans
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Thank you Marian.  That is basically what I do now.  It makes it rather difficult to get the quantity of the select fill that has the variable depth though.  Currently I will use my Keep Maximum surface and compute earthwork report between that and subgrade (without the structural fill in it), using all the paved areas as boundaries.  Its a lot of extra steps, especially when building takeoff surfaces and running takeoff report takes so long to complete even on a small site.

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Wayne Welshans
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-07-2021 19:56
From: Marian Plucinski
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

Hi Wayne, 

How about the workflow below:

1) Create your improvement surface, even if it has unwanted cuts.
2) Merge your improvement surface with original ground using "keep maximum" option

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Marian Plucinski

Original Message:
Sent: 04-07-2021 16:31
From: Wayne Welshans
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I'm curious if anyone has any tricks for creating a takeoff site improvement that has a material where the depth has a maximum value or stops at original ground (or stripping).  For example if you have a building pad that has 8" of concrete, 12" of gravel, and then structural fill down to a max depth of 6'.  If you put in 6' as the depth it will create a cut if the 6' goes below original ground.  As far as I know there is no property or setting that allows it to be clipped at the original ground?

Seems like that would be a useful feature to add in if it doesn't already exist.

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Wayne Welshans
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Wayne,

You could not define the structural fill, and then run an earthworks report between the FL with SG adjusted model and original (stripped) ground with the Volume Breakdown option set to 'By depth increment' to 6' and the slab outline(s) (named to identify in report) as a volume boundary(s). Reported cut will be to achieve the defined conc/gravel; fill to depth 6' is structure; and the balance in general fill.

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Rob Davidson
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-07-2021 16:31
From: Wayne Welshans
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I'm curious if anyone has any tricks for creating a takeoff site improvement that has a material where the depth has a maximum value or stops at original ground (or stripping).  For example if you have a building pad that has 8" of concrete, 12" of gravel, and then structural fill down to a max depth of 6'.  If you put in 6' as the depth it will create a cut if the 6' goes below original ground.  As far as I know there is no property or setting that allows it to be clipped at the original ground?

Seems like that would be a useful feature to add in if it doesn't already exist.

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Wayne Welshans
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Rob,  Ah yes that is a good idea.  I hadn't thought of volumes by depth increment.  Thank you!

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Wayne Welshans
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-08-2021 15:12
From: Rob Davidson
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

Wayne,

You could not define the structural fill, and then run an earthworks report between the FL with SG adjusted model and original (stripped) ground with the Volume Breakdown option set to 'By depth increment' to 6' and the slab outline(s) (named to identify in report) as a volume boundary(s). Reported cut will be to achieve the defined conc/gravel; fill to depth 6' is structure; and the balance in general fill.

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Rob Davidson

Original Message:
Sent: 04-07-2021 16:31
From: Wayne Welshans
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I'm curious if anyone has any tricks for creating a takeoff site improvement that has a material where the depth has a maximum value or stops at original ground (or stripping).  For example if you have a building pad that has 8" of concrete, 12" of gravel, and then structural fill down to a max depth of 6'.  If you put in 6' as the depth it will create a cut if the 6' goes below original ground.  As far as I know there is no property or setting that allows it to be clipped at the original ground?

Seems like that would be a useful feature to add in if it doesn't already exist.

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Wayne Welshans
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I know this old post, but it's this kind of feature that is crazy to me there's still no way to do this simple very common task.

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Mark Matthews
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-07-2021 16:31
From: Wayne Welshans
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I'm curious if anyone has any tricks for creating a takeoff site improvement that has a material where the depth has a maximum value or stops at original ground (or stripping).  For example if you have a building pad that has 8" of concrete, 12" of gravel, and then structural fill down to a max depth of 6'.  If you put in 6' as the depth it will create a cut if the 6' goes below original ground.  As far as I know there is no property or setting that allows it to be clipped at the original ground?

Seems like that would be a useful feature to add in if it doesn't already exist.

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Wayne Welshans
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It is in the Overexcavation command.

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Nelson Hays
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Original Message:
Sent: 03-14-2024 02:20
From: Mark Matthews
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I know this old post, but it's this kind of feature that is crazy to me there's still no way to do this simple very common task.

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Mark Matthews

Original Message:
Sent: 04-07-2021 16:31
From: Wayne Welshans
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I'm curious if anyone has any tricks for creating a takeoff site improvement that has a material where the depth has a maximum value or stops at original ground (or stripping).  For example if you have a building pad that has 8" of concrete, 12" of gravel, and then structural fill down to a max depth of 6'.  If you put in 6' as the depth it will create a cut if the 6' goes below original ground.  As far as I know there is no property or setting that allows it to be clipped at the original ground?

Seems like that would be a useful feature to add in if it doesn't already exist.

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Wayne Welshans
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No it's not. Overexcavation figures reworking on site soil. Yes it's a workaround, there are lots of workarounds and all them require making edits to reports (which is no small task considering TBC formatting).  Takeoff reporting is yet another thing that is absolutely dreadful and never gets updated.

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Mark Matthews
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Original Message:
Sent: 03-14-2024 11:57
From: Nelson Hays
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

It is in the Overexcavation command.

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Nelson Hays

Original Message:
Sent: 03-14-2024 02:20
From: Mark Matthews
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I know this old post, but it's this kind of feature that is crazy to me there's still no way to do this simple very common task.

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Mark Matthews

Original Message:
Sent: 04-07-2021 16:31
From: Wayne Welshans
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I'm curious if anyone has any tricks for creating a takeoff site improvement that has a material where the depth has a maximum value or stops at original ground (or stripping).  For example if you have a building pad that has 8" of concrete, 12" of gravel, and then structural fill down to a max depth of 6'.  If you put in 6' as the depth it will create a cut if the 6' goes below original ground.  As far as I know there is no property or setting that allows it to be clipped at the original ground?

Seems like that would be a useful feature to add in if it doesn't already exist.

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Wayne Welshans
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?

This command was a godsend. Ties to OG, even vertically up/down, are basic stuff.

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Nelson Hays
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Original Message:
Sent: 03-04-2025 14:25
From: Mark Matthews
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

No it's not. Overexcavation figures reworking on site soil. Yes it's a workaround, there are lots of workarounds and all them require making edits to reports (which is no small task considering TBC formatting).  Takeoff reporting is yet another thing that is absolutely dreadful and never gets updated.

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Mark Matthews

Original Message:
Sent: 03-14-2024 11:57
From: Nelson Hays
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

It is in the Overexcavation command.

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Nelson Hays

Original Message:
Sent: 03-14-2024 02:20
From: Mark Matthews
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I know this old post, but it's this kind of feature that is crazy to me there's still no way to do this simple very common task.

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Mark Matthews

Original Message:
Sent: 04-07-2021 16:31
From: Wayne Welshans
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I'm curious if anyone has any tricks for creating a takeoff site improvement that has a material where the depth has a maximum value or stops at original ground (or stripping).  For example if you have a building pad that has 8" of concrete, 12" of gravel, and then structural fill down to a max depth of 6'.  If you put in 6' as the depth it will create a cut if the 6' goes below original ground.  As far as I know there is no property or setting that allows it to be clipped at the original ground?

Seems like that would be a useful feature to add in if it doesn't already exist.

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Wayne Welshans
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That's a great question! Most takeoff software doesn't have an automatic "clip at original ground" setting, so a workaround is using a conditional depth adjustment or manually modifying contours to prevent over-excavation. If you're dealing with complex site improvements often, construction takeoff services can help streamline accurate depth calculations without the hassle.

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Wallace Harcourt
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-07-2021 16:31
From: Wayne Welshans
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I'm curious if anyone has any tricks for creating a takeoff site improvement that has a material where the depth has a maximum value or stops at original ground (or stripping).  For example if you have a building pad that has 8" of concrete, 12" of gravel, and then structural fill down to a max depth of 6'.  If you put in 6' as the depth it will create a cut if the 6' goes below original ground.  As far as I know there is no property or setting that allows it to be clipped at the original ground?

Seems like that would be a useful feature to add in if it doesn't already exist.

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Wayne Welshans
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That is a great point having a setting that clips fill depth at original ground would be a game-changer for accuracy. A workaround could be setting conditional depth limits manually or using reference surfaces in your takeoff software. If precision in earthwork calculations is key, construction takeoff services can help ensure accurate material quantities without unnecessary overages.

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Wallace Harcourt
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-07-2021 16:31
From: Wayne Welshans
Subject: Takeoff materials that go down to original ground

I'm curious if anyone has any tricks for creating a takeoff site improvement that has a material where the depth has a maximum value or stops at original ground (or stripping).  For example if you have a building pad that has 8" of concrete, 12" of gravel, and then structural fill down to a max depth of 6'.  If you put in 6' as the depth it will create a cut if the 6' goes below original ground.  As far as I know there is no property or setting that allows it to be clipped at the original ground?

Seems like that would be a useful feature to add in if it doesn't already exist.

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Wayne Welshans
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